Fix Dem Bows

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Re: Fix Dem Bows

Postby abt79 » Tue Feb 09, 2016 11:19 pm

dafels wrote:It would be all fine, if you would not be able to 1shot basically everyone who has less than 600 HP, even if the one has good armour.

Spam 4 ua defences -> Wait for him to engage you -> He's beating your defence down -> 1Shoot kill him while he's doing that
haha nice first person shooter, makes basically ALL ua/mc characters useless.


Legitimate counterargument? Yay finally.

Does chop/cleave really not do enough damage to break down even a large number of UA defences? Even then, you could just run circles around the archer while striking down defences, though ultimately ranged combat should merge into ua/mc more smoothly and maybe even be affected by blocks.
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Re: Fix Dem Bows

Postby overtyped » Tue Feb 09, 2016 11:24 pm

abt79 wrote:
dafels wrote:It would be all fine, if you would not be able to 1shot basically everyone who has less than 600 HP, even if the one has good armour.

Spam 4 ua defences -> Wait for him to engage you -> He's beating your defence down -> 1Shoot kill him while he's doing that
haha nice first person shooter, makes basically ALL ua/mc characters useless.


Legitimate counterargument? Yay finally.

Does chop/cleave really not do enough damage to break down even a large number of UA defences? Even then, you could just run circles around the archer while striking down defences, though ultimately ranged combat should merge into ua/mc more smoothly and maybe even be affected by blocks.

I guess it's true you really dont know what you are talking about. You have never even pvped.
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Re: Fix Dem Bows

Postby dafels » Tue Feb 09, 2016 11:26 pm

abt79 wrote:
dafels wrote:It would be all fine, if you would not be able to 1shot basically everyone who has less than 600 HP, even if the one has good armour.

Spam 4 ua defences -> Wait for him to engage you -> He's beating your defence down -> 1Shoot kill him while he's doing that
haha nice first person shooter, makes basically ALL ua/mc characters useless.


Legitimate counterargument? Yay finally.

Does chop/cleave really not do enough damage to break down even a large number of UA defences?

No, if the archer has some ua. Chop and Cleave cooldowns are way too long to use them for beating down the defences, especially against archers; They are mostly used only for finishing strikes.
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Re: Fix Dem Bows

Postby abt79 » Tue Feb 09, 2016 11:33 pm

overtyped wrote:
abt79 wrote:
dafels wrote:It would be all fine, if you would not be able to 1shot basically everyone who has less than 600 HP, even if the one has good armour.

Spam 4 ua defences -> Wait for him to engage you -> He's beating your defence down -> 1Shoot kill him while he's doing that
haha nice first person shooter, makes basically ALL ua/mc characters useless.


Legitimate counterargument? Yay finally.

Does chop/cleave really not do enough damage to break down even a large number of UA defences? Even then, you could just run circles around the archer while striking down defences, though ultimately ranged combat should merge into ua/mc more smoothly and maybe even be affected by blocks.

I guess it's true you really dont know what you are talking about. You have never even pvped.


I've pvped, just never with a ranger (though I assume that's what you meant :| ). Just never assumed fighting with a bow that can easily be dodged was viable, but even with this tactic suggested ranged combat seems more balanced than legitimately OP.

Ultimately it was a waste of time for dafels to just say that I'm wrong without backing that claim up with evidence or reason, at least he decided to do that.
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Re: Fix Dem Bows

Postby abt79 » Tue Feb 09, 2016 11:34 pm

dafels wrote:
abt79 wrote:
dafels wrote:It would be all fine, if you would not be able to 1shot basically everyone who has less than 600 HP, even if the one has good armour.

Spam 4 ua defences -> Wait for him to engage you -> He's beating your defence down -> 1Shoot kill him while he's doing that
haha nice first person shooter, makes basically ALL ua/mc characters useless.


Legitimate counterargument? Yay finally.

Does chop/cleave really not do enough damage to break down even a large number of UA defences?

No, if the archer has some ua. Chop and Cleave cooldowns are way too long to use them for beating down the defences, especially against archers; They are mostly used only for finishing strikes.

Alright, so what about circling and raining punches/left hooks?
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Re: Fix Dem Bows

Postby overtyped » Tue Feb 09, 2016 11:37 pm

abt79 wrote:Alright, so what about circling and raining punches/left hooks?

Please stop.. This is like a patient with no medical experience, telling a doctor how to do his job.
Stop throwing wild guesses and pretending you know what you are talking about. If you want to learn how combat works, go to the " HOW DO I"
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Re: Fix Dem Bows

Postby Pan_w_okularach » Tue Feb 09, 2016 11:40 pm

the damage on bows is way to high rigth now, can even compete with cleave
aiming at close range is almost instant, and can hardly be interrupted
horrible combination
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Re: Fix Dem Bows

Postby abt79 » Tue Feb 09, 2016 11:40 pm

overtyped wrote:
abt79 wrote:Alright, so what about circling and raining punches/left hooks?

Please stop.. This is like a patient with no medical experience, telling a doctor how to do his job.
Stop throwing wild guesses and pretending you know what you are talking about. If you want to learn how combat works, go to the " HOW DO I"


What part of that question was telling you how to PVP, that seems to be pretty opposite the nature of a question anyways.

I was simply wondering if it works, not sure what the lack of response means; is it really that obvious that spamming attacks doesn't counter spamming defences?
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Re: Fix Dem Bows

Postby overtyped » Tue Feb 09, 2016 11:42 pm

abt79 wrote:
overtyped wrote:
abt79 wrote:Alright, so what about circling and raining punches/left hooks?

Please stop.. This is like a patient with no medical experience, telling a doctor how to do his job.
Stop throwing wild guesses and pretending you know what you are talking about. If you want to learn how combat works, go to the " HOW DO I"


What part of that question was telling you how to PVP, that seems to be pretty opposite the nature of a question anyways.

I was simply wondering if it works, not sure what the lack of response means; is it really that obvious that spamming attacks doesn't counter spamming defences?

yes
Early world exploit: Put your hearthfire inside a cave, then hold shift to position a claim right in front of a cave. After 8 hours the claim will be unbreakable. Since your hearthfire is inside the cave, you can still get back inside, and leave, but nobody will be able to enter, effectively making you unraidable for the first 3-7 days. Enjoy
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Re: Fix Dem Bows

Postby abt79 » Tue Feb 09, 2016 11:44 pm

overtyped wrote:
abt79 wrote:
overtyped wrote:Please stop.. This is like a patient with no medical experience, telling a doctor how to do his job.
Stop throwing wild guesses and pretending you know what you are talking about. If you want to learn how combat works, go to the " HOW DO I"


What part of that question was telling you how to PVP, that seems to be pretty opposite the nature of a question anyways.

I was simply wondering if it works, not sure what the lack of response means; is it really that obvious that spamming attacks doesn't counter spamming defences?

yes



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