New Wheat > Flour ratio is bad

[tableman]

Wheat Before: 180 tiles of wheat = 36.0 flour = 1 LC of Pumpkin Pies = 12x15 field

Wheat After: 180 tiles of wheat = 180.0 flour = 5 LC of Pumpkin Pies = 12x15 field

Pumpkin Flesh: 5LC*4 = 960 Pumpkin pies = 960\4 = 240 Pumpkins = 15*16 field (enough pumpkins to cook multiharvested 12x15 Wheat field into Pumpkin Pies)

IMO thats unbalanced and unrealistic. Making 960 Pumpkin Pies per ~4 days from 12x15 Wheat field.... Its like if i would open own Bakery growing Wheat in my living room.

Sure its easy to win more with this but wheres the fun for true farmers. You guys already simplified farming to shit making able to stack flour and incrasing slots in Ovens, and i liked that but not this update... how farmers is going to feel unique if anyone can make 960 Pumpkin Pies easily growing crops near own house without any management system...

You can store flour in 1-4 cupboards, you need only 6 ovens to cook 1LC of pies at a time and you can stockpile Pumpkin Flesh - any retard can fit it with both fields in veeery compact plot and be as good as any farmer now.

The point was that its hard to do in bulk without good organisation while Pies are in high demand, and now its almost like in any other game with farming... "take this combine with that".

And single Hive cyrcle full of Wheat are now able to support something like 10000 Pumpkin Pies per Pumpkin cycle.....

Please revert. Or make so that its needed to harvest 2-2.25 tiles of Wheat to make 1 Pumpkin Pie. (0.75 tile for 1 Pie atm, ~4 before update)

Heres the Wheat field that is needed to support 960! Pumpkin Pies per Pumpkins cycle after update...

[Grable]

no

[TeckXKnight]

no

[Sevenless]

no

Baked goods are plenty of effort after the barley/flour stage. Large villages should not need 2000 tiles of wheat to feed themselves.

Edit: Also, realism isn't really a defense of anything. You can teleport to a magical fire made from a dream. Exact ratios of tiles per pie made is not going to be immersion breaking for 99% of players.

[tableman]

no

Baked goods are plenty of effort after the barley/flour stage. Large villages should not need 2000 tiles of wheat to feed themselves.

Edit: Also, realism isn't really a defense of anything. You can teleport to a magical fire made from a dream. Exact ratios of tiles per pie made is not going to be immersion breaking for 99% of players.

Fighter can plant himself two fields 10*10 and have shittton of pumpkin Pies for 1 person. And all he needs to do to maintain it is to start legit bots to farm it.

Then he easily grind all Seeds from 1 Bucket to 1 inventory of Flour and store it in Cupboard.

Then he harvest Pumpkins with legit bot and store Flesh in pile right away without any organisation.

Then he just place a Chair near pile of Pumpkin Flash, take inventory of Flour and craft shitton of Pies not moving his ass anywhere.

Then he just collect Pies from ground and put them in Ovens.

And it will take like 5 minutes of live play time (mostly hauling Pies from ground to Ovens). The most effort in this is to have Ovens, yeah thats hard one....................

Not farming related people was farming themselves earlier and now its just so easy that you have to be retard to invite dedicated farmer to help you scaling. Any polak child can maintain producing thousands of Pies themselves, like wheres the teamwork, wheres thrist for professional players who can maintain big farm and do huge output of products... who needs that when all you need is two 10*10 fields 2 cupboards and 3 ovens................

[ErdTod]

I kind of feel that 5 is too little, 25 is too much. Maybe 15 or 10?

[Maiden]

Your math is wrong. A 15x12 field can only make 240 pies per harvest with current ratios, and only if you have every farming skill. 240 pies in a village of say 10 people means 24 each, which means 5-6 pies a day, seems reasonable to me, there's no need for giant fields that you need bots to harvest.

[tableman]

I kind of feel that 5 is too little, 25 is too much. Maybe 15 or 10?

Before the update 1 tile of Wheat was supporting around 1\4 of one Pumpkin Pie. To make 1 Pumpkin Pie you had to harvest ~4 tiles of Wheat.

After update to make 1 Pumpkin Pie you need to harvest 0.75 of a SINGLE wheat tile.

I think it would be reasonable if you would have to harvest at least 2-2.25 tiles of Wheat to make 1 Pumpkin Pie. Because ~4tiles would really hurt on very large productions.

Your math is wrong. A 15x12 field can only make 240 pies per harvest with current ratios, and only if you have every farming skill. 240 pies in a village of say 10 people means 24 each, which means 5-6 pies a day, seems reasonable to me, there's no need for giant fields that you need bots to harvest.

Read again. Its 960 per Pumpkin cycle. And main thing is that it consumes too little of space. You need now 5 times less space for Wheat to make same amoung of Pies.

[Procne]

And main thing is that it consumes too little of space.

For me tha main thing is not how much space it takes but how much "bot work" is needed. Because harvesting and replanting big ass fields every 2 days is not very fun

[tableman]

^ Are you kidding me? To harvest and replant fields of any size atm you need to click mouse 2 times, did you even try new Haven???