Ancient and Traditional Food Processing

[sMartins]

Would be very cool having more of such things in this game...the most obvious example is acorns:

Over the course of human history people have eaten more acorns than wheat and rice combined:

-Collecting Acorns
-Drying in the sun
-Shelling
-Grinding
-Leaching to remove tannins
-Drying and grinding again to make flour

Probably we could skip some steps...but this is the basic idea

If you have some other Ancient and Traditional food recipes like this, pls post it below. Cheers

[MrrPunchers]

Acorn Flour should be added as an alternative to normal flour but again for good q flour you need good q trees.

[stya]

Over the course of human history people have eaten more acorns than wheat and rice combined

Any data to support that? I really doubt it.

[sMartins]

I read it somewhere on the web....idk how they estimated that or even if is possible to estimate....I guess is more an assumption scaled with our history....I mean for sure we have eaten more acorns over a long period of time in the history than wheat and rice....(not wild rice....I mean cultivations)

Btw human history more or less: 4milions years ago = 4*10^6
Modern man: 200.000 years ago 2*10^5
So there is a 10 factor....and probably the average population between (200k years ago and now) / (4M and 200k years ago) is less than a 10 factor....this could be a rough estimate...
About just 2 centuries we are over the 1Billion population....so the average during the whole history is pretty low the same....I would say something around 10^4 people.
So it's possible.

Btw I think is not possible to calculate accuratly this thing....noone knows how many humans being lived on the earth for sure...so it would be always a rough estimate.

P.S.
It's very clear watching at your graph....look how the population peak is just about some last centuries (the most last century, so 100 years vs 4M of years)....so if you watch at the whole history of humans, you could almost delete that peak...cause the period of time is way much more relevant.....

[shubla]

I read it somewhere on the web....idk how they estimated that or even if is possible to estimate....I guess is more an assumption scaled with our history....I mean for sure we have eaten more acorns over a long period of time in the history than wheat and rice....

Btw human history more or less: 4milions years ago = 4*10^6
Modern man: 200.000 years ago 2*10^5
So there is a 10 factor....and probably the average population between (200k years ago and now) / (4M and 200k years ago) is less than a 10 factor....this could be a rough estimate...
About just 2 centuries we are over the 1Billion population....so the average during the whole history is pretty low the same....I would say something around 10^4 people.
So it's possible.

Btw I think is not possible to calculate accuratly this thing....noone knows how many humans being lived on the earth for sure...so it would be always a rough estimate.

P.S.
It's very clear watching at your graph....look how the population peak is just about some last centuries (the most last century, so 100 years vs 4M of years)....so if you watch at the whole history of humans, you could almost delete that peak...cause the period of time is way much more relevant.....

Do you even know what history means? History specifically means things that happened after writing. Stuff that happened before is defined as pre-historic era/stuff.

ALSO
Human prehistory totally did not begin 4 million years ago. You could barely tell that whole HUMAN SPECIES was formed around 2.5 MILLION years ago. Which is 1.5 million years off from your estimation or almost 50% which is quite a lot on any scale. And I dont think that you could even define them as humans in some practical ways. Sure they might have used some stones as tools. But so do other animals. Neanderthals are already close to us, they had some basic language and they made and used basic tools, hunted in groups, buried their dead. Things that you could define human-like.

Some very very early human pre history could be said has formed like 10 000 years or so ago.

Also why the heck dont you just write numbers properly? Marking such small number as 10 000 or even 1 000 000 000 in a discussion like this with scientific notations is just utterly stupid.

ALSO
Even with your method of calculation
Lets say there were average of 20 000 humans living at any given time during the last 4 million years.
As units, lets use living human/year.

So we multiply average amount of humans by year. And we can get some nice numbers.

Acorn eating people: 20 000*4 000 000 = 80000000000 years-that-humans-have-lived-units

Last 100 years I'd say average population has been roughly 4 or 5 billion.

Rice eating men: 100*4 000 000 000 = 400000000000 years-that-humans-have-lived-units

400000000000 divided by 80000000000 = 5

So we can say that years-lived-by-human has been 5 times as much in the last 100 years than your whole "acon eating era"

So we can come in conclusion that you are absolutely wrong on everything! Feel free to ask me why if you did not understand!

edit: you areblatantly wrong be shamed of yourself!

[sMartins]

Lol some accuratly math here ....English is not my first Language, i'm too lazy to search everytime the proper word for everything....I need to tell you this everytime.

Btw Math is pointeless in this regard, that supposition is not math based (cause it cannot be done, but as i show you it's not totally crazy in tha regard also) but just to give the idea that humans have eaten a lot of acorns, more than we can actually think nowdays.

[shubla]

Lol some accuratly math here ....English is not my first Language, i'm too lazy to search everytime the proper word for everything....I need to tell you this everytime.

Btw Math is pointeless in this regard, that supposition is not math based (cause it cannot be done, but as i show you it's not totally crazy in tha regard also) but just to give the idea that humans have eaten a lot of acorns, more than we can actually think nowdays.

English is not my first language either and people can probably notice that. Though I probably could produce some higher quality text by using more time writing it.

I would just like to point out that the two things your message had, were both indeed, incorrect.
Does not matter what language you have, numbers and basic logic is still the same.

I would also like to point out that my math was probably not accurate. But the point is that humans have eaten a LOT more cultivated products than all of the hunted/gathered stuff combined.
There's just so many people these days.

[stya]

I read it somewhere on the web.

https://indiancountrymedianetwork.com/culture/health-wellness/the-age-of-acorns-sustaining-life-for-generations/

Looks like an idiot said that, just check his background he's far from being a respected scientist
As far as I know, in Europe acorn was more considered like a food for animals.

Is there any data about when did people start/stop using acorn flour? Because many other flours were used over time, I would suggest one that is still used nowadays and would make much more sense considering the game items/folklore without adding new items (besides the flour itself and recipes derived from it).

There is evidence of chestnut flour being made throughout history (used for pasta/bread/pancakes) if you do a bit of research, also it looks like Romans have spread the use of chestnut and used it for a few things including pasta (made from flour/starch I guess) in Europe at some point, they might have been used to make flour before that but I did not find more information.

Just one source but you could find more easily:
http://www.fruitandnut.ie/historyofchestnuts.pdf

[sMartins]

@Shubla
Your "basic logic" makes no sense, you cannot use specific numbers to calculate a statistic average...what you wrote makes no sense....

@Stya
I don't know who said that or how they estimate that or whatever...if you search on the web there are also other people:
https://grandpappy.org/racorns.htm
http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/201 ... -squirrels
Btw this is not the point....it's interesting to see and understand how humans used a lot of wild food, nuts, etc... over the time...and it's interesting to see how probably that food is being very important for a long period of time in comparison with food from farming (that of course is very important)....acorns, chestnut, and whatelse....just thinking at this stuff comparable with farming food it's something that one wouldn't expect nowdays....this was my point, ans specially linked to this game i thought it was at least interesting to talk about...

Btw boring, I'm out of here...too much cancer to me, relax and smile people, life is good

[shubla]

Btw this is not the point....it's interesting to see and understand how humans used a lot of wild food, nuts, etc... over the time...and it's interesting to see how probably that food is being very important for a long period of time in comparison with food from farming (that of course is very important)....acorns, chestnut, and whatelse....just thinking at this stuff comparable with farming food it's something that one wouldn't expect nowdays....this was my point, ans specially linked to this game i thought it was at least interesting to talk about...

I dont understand how you find things like that fascinating.
Foraging and hunting for food, like collecting berries, nuts and other stuff is quite basic stuff. Its still being done in many countries by millions of people. Pretty much all of the animals do it. Not too long ago we did it too.

Agriculture was a key for our success, without farming and crops we would not have anything that we have now. I doubt that foraging and hunting could hold this many people and so on. Everyone had to focus on getting something to eat, with agriculture some people did not have to think about that. Instead they had time to do some other stuff as well.

Industrialization and such made it possible to produce massive amounts of food easily. Plows, animals using plow, eventually machines tractors and things.