Credo's for the non Lemmings

[pawnchito]

Mod note: merged two threads on credos together. They weren't 100% related in direct subject, one was on scaling the number of quests, the other on the "death bonus," but the discussion has been pretty similar in both.

Hello, It feels counter-intuitive to commit mass suicide in order to benefit from the credo death mechanic. Although I think the suicide / death reduction has its place and is certainly cool if you die but I don't think the Devs wanted people to intentionally kill themselves to lower the quests required to complete subsequent credos.

I suggest adding a large LP bonus that scales depending on how many quests you complete for a given credo. The LP bonus should be given once the entire quest chain is complete so it isn't too overpowered eg. 5/5 8/8. This way people that choose to maintain only a single character get some benefit from completing the 100+ quests per credo required once you have a few under your belt. It still is balanced because you only get the bonus after completing the credo so it isn't something that can be farmed for high LP.

If it's been suggested before I apologize couldn't find anything on it before.

[shubla]

You should lose all credos when you die.

[Aceb]

You should lose all credos when you die.

No, shoo, shoo!



Many people agree that dying for credos should be heavly nerfed.

[pawnchito]

That's pretty harsh. I dont disagree with you entirely but I feel like that's nerfing something and generally I'm less about nerfs and more about buffing other stuff to make things balanced. I can also see why it was implemented it keeps death pretty care bear. Which is cool for the casuals. There's definitely something off about being able to use disposable characters in order to get credos faster.

Adding a bonus like this gives at least some incentive to slog through all the quests and not feel like a derp for wanting to keep one character. Also if you have 7 or 8 credos getting a huge chunk of lip isn't game breaking by that time you are already a fairly powerful character so even if towards the end your getting a mild lip it's only a few skillpoint increases. In a game about progressively growing your character it makes little sense to have the most efficient way of getting permanent abilities and upgrades involve suicide.

[Massa]

Every time I start playing again, it always starts the same way: my dumbass friend spending 2 weeks killing himself over and over again to get (vital, utterly necessary) credos done so he doesn't have to do 600 quests, and instead, only has to do like, 20.

Just stop with the whole bit where credos require 4x more than the last one.

Don't do the genie thing where you fuck everyone with your solution either, and remove the suiciding aspect of it and just have them always scale up. That's dumb, and a good way to make sure no one plays this game because it'd take fucking 10,000 hours to complete the credos.

[Vigilance]

inb4 somehow the normally conflicting groups of carebears and tryhards try to debunk phil, insisting credos are fun and intuitive gameplay to do thirty-something quests per level including such exhilarating gameplay as, "Run to tree, run to rock, study garbage you normally don't study, click your heels and receive a bee sting."

Yes, credos aren't absolutely and entirely terrible. Yes, a lot of them are so, so very strong. Yes, they can be a slow-burn element for long-term players to do. But there is a rapidly increasing problem as Hafen continues development where choices are made in favor of the infinite power creep spiral grind and choices are made against fun, sustainable gameplay.

Currently typing, there are 105 players online. I am literally looking at 4 of them-- two of my characters, Phil, and some guy from some former commie country that is physically incapable of pronouncing "Village." The game is very unfun as a slow burn, or else the population wouldn't greatly wane after the grand total 2-3 months of real content is blazed through. The fact that credocide is even exploited is a sign that the credos are not perceived by players as something that should be a slow burn, but something that you can actively progress towards.

Iunno. Fuck 'em. I still need time to really put together some big brain hypothesis on how to fix credos and it probably wouldn't be well received anyway, because what do I know?

Actually, one thing I do know is that doing 8 quests per level for Fisherman credo is fucking retarded, and if I had to do 10 per level for Mystic I'd probably just quit.

Also not my screenshot but this shit is ridiculous.

[jordancoles]

The credo grind itself can be alright, it's something to chip away at when you get home from work, and when I was doing mine a lot of the enjoyment came from what was 'next.'

Planning out the credo path and working towards them all (by suiciding) was fun and kept me logging in.

When I was doing credo normally, I completed about 2 of them before I threw my hands up and wrote the rest of them off as being too big of a pain to bother with.

[Vigilance]

The credo grind itself can be alright, it's something to chip away at when you get home from work, and when I was doing mine a lot of the enjoyment came from what was 'next.'

Planning out the credo path and working towards them all (by suiciding) was fun and kept me logging in.

When I was doing credo normally, I completed about 2 of them before I threw my hands up and wrote the rest of them off as being too big of a pain to bother with.

Yeah, that's what I mean. Credo's aren't entirely terrible in themselves but the volume of garbage you have to deal with for them without credocide is unacceptable.

[jorb]

Idk. I could perhaps be tempted to agree that it's a bit harsh, but I also feel that there should be diminishing returns. I don't think you should really have all of them on single characters except very rarely.

[Vigilance]

Idk. I could perhaps be tempted to agree that it's a bit harsh, but I also feel that there should be diminishing returns. I don't think you should really have all of them on single characters except very rarely.

But wasn't your stance to eliminate the soft requirement of alternative characters to do various aspects of industry? Because not allowing characters to jack of all trades, but forcing them to specialize, just results in players making 4 different characters to do 4 different credo lines. You're already sorta making alts pretty significant in the current game's implementation even with credocide as an option.

Muh beeswax. Muh hunter/miner so my crafter and shit doesn't get wing-wonged by weird debuffs from wounds. Etc.

I will totally hound you about this.