Claim/Palisade Soak and Griefing

[arthuratwar]

So my group and I have run into a peculiar situation. We decided to plop down in the forest to build our base when we caught the attention of some individual who clearly did not like our presence there. This individual decided to make an alt and put their Hearthfire in our camp. This person then decided grief and bashed all our stuff, screwed around with the surveys making large dirt spikes, made a swastika etc.




Now, we just arrived at this camp so we were in the process to set up our claim to which this person with his fresh alt and some water bashed in a couple of minutes with none of us being able to stop him. We tried to set up another claim and surround the claim with alts to stop its destruction but after some time It was still destroyed and the computer running 6 clients for 8 hours isnt really reasonable. Setting up a palisade is also useless since not only hes inside the base but he can easily knock it down with his fresh griefing alt before it gains some soak.

I know the answer would probably be to just kill him but in the end there is nothing stopping him from making another alt and showing up again. Not to say that the murder scents would leave the victim in a worse position than the griefer who loses nothing for getting his alt murdered.

My critique is here: How is it fair that one guy with lots of free time and an alt character can harass a group of people with no means to stop him except hope he decides not to screw with us?

Id suggest adding enough soak to claims/palisades so that a fresh character wont be able to just knock them down but a mildly developed character would be able to. (Lets say 20 Str?)

Also, dialogue isn't an option seeing that the persons linguistic capabilities are limited at "bro thats cringe" and other vulgarities

[borka]

Not to say that the murder scents would leave the victim in a worse position than the griefer who loses nothing for getting his alt murdered.

prolly the reason for that lame bullying ...

[azrid]

Go grief their base back
It has to be a group nearby

[Hrenli]

Not that I am trying to defend that guy (obviously an idiot), but to be fair, he was doing all that he was doing on a free land. It was your decision to start terraforming around not set claim.

[Sevenless]

It is not fair, but that's what the claim system is for. You can build leantos to store some crates of stuff, but in general you need to wait until your claim is live to safely work on an area.

[Tamalak]

Until you have placed and successfully defended a claim for 8 hours, that is not your land. You can build stuff and terraform stuff but it's public property. Ppl can draw swastikas if they want to. There's no griefing here.

[arthuratwar]

I agree with the land being public property and all, the point I was trying to make was that it is possible for an alt with no stats to bash claims with the real owner having no risk as they can just send alts to do the dirty work and there is no real counterplay unless you're willing to leave scents to fight a character designed to be expendible.

[Sevenless]

I agree with the land being public property and all, the point I was trying to make was that it is possible for an alt with no stats to bash claims with the real owner having no risk as they can just send alts to do the dirty work and there is no real counterplay unless you're willing to leave scents to fight a character designed to be expendible.

The alternative is vastly more horrifying. Claims are meant to be fairly permanent, once they're down they're quite hard to get rid of. Getting an alt capable of dropping a claim is trivial, if setting and drying claims becomes faster people trying to grief you (either for legitimate strategic reasons or for fun) start using them. Often by encasing your claim in blocking claims.

We've been there, and I can't say I really like the current system. But making claims stronger and faster has caused very real and annoying situations in the past. Ones I've been on both sides of.

[shubla]

If somebody destroys your claim pole, he doesn't want that you settle there. Move! You probably would have even worse time in the future with them.
It takes effort to destroy claim poles so people don't really do it without a reason that often.

[Sevenless]

If somebody destroys your claim pole, he doesn't want that you settle there. Move! You probably would have even worse time in the future with them.
It takes effort to destroy claim poles so people don't really do it without a reason that often.

With a fresh nab, I looked at a claim pole. 20-30 minutes of bashing. No thanks, not doing that casually.