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Cleave+b12

Postby shubla » Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:37 pm

Why can I cleave with bronze sword?
It requires any HEAVY weapon, heavy weapon is like B12 or sledgehammer, not a one-handed bronze sword.
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Re: Cleave

Postby Aceb » Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:42 pm

It was a common practice in medieval times to use one-handed weapons with both hands to deliver finishing / gruesome final or ment to be a final strike to your opponent. It is normal. Cleave is even used many times to bring HEAVY DAMAGE, not to lightly stroke the opponent with tip of your sword to tickle them.
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Re: Cleave

Postby Omnipotent » Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:45 pm

Have you ever held a real sword IRL? Decorative swords do not count.

Bronze is heavy.

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Re: Cleave

Postby shubla » Sat Apr 11, 2020 5:05 pm

Yeah but what is point of B12 when it only deals marginally more dmg and gives no access to those op moves.
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Re: Cleave

Postby Ardennesss » Sat Apr 11, 2020 5:11 pm

shubla wrote:Yeah but what is point of B12 when it only deals marginally more dmg and gives no access to those op moves.
Do you actually play this game or did you develop a shitposting API to handle these C&I threads for you?
Edit: Since "yOu ShoUld aTtaCk IDEAs NoT POstERs" let me clarify, bronze sword base damage is 90 and battleaxe is 150, which invalidates your first point. I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about with your second point, as the only moves you can't do with a B12 are sword specific abilities which aren't "op." You most certainly can, and do, use cleave with a b12.
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Re: Cleave+b12

Postby shubla » Sat Apr 11, 2020 6:45 pm

B12 gets 25% attack cooldown penalty? Ridiculous! There is no point to use it over bronze sword.

1. You lose ability to use shield up and become more vulnerable than people with shield up.
2. Quick barrage is quite OP at the moment, with B12 you deal probably less dmg than with just spamming quick barge with a sword.
3. Damage bonus is not significant, especially as you are so much slower to hit, you will deal less dmg over time..
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Re: Cleave+b12

Postby Omnipotent » Sat Apr 11, 2020 7:12 pm

shubla wrote:with B12 you deal probably less dmg than with just spamming quick barge with a sword

Maybe you should actually test this before you throw out baseless claims.

The fact you didn't even realize you could cleave with a b12 is a sure sign you don't even play the game. If you're going to try and make suggestions for PvP weapons then you should actually use them first.

Why do you constantly try to make the game worse for everyone else? Do you just hate Jorb and Loftar and want to destroy their game?
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Re: Cleave+b12

Postby Aceb » Sat Apr 11, 2020 7:28 pm

shubla wrote:B12 gets 25% attack cooldown penalty? Ridiculous! There is no point to use it over bronze sword.

1. You lose ability to use shield up and become more vulnerable than people with shield up.
2. Quick barrage is quite OP at the moment, with B12 you deal probably less dmg than with just spamming quick barge with a sword.
3. Damage bonus is not significant, especially as you are so much slower to hit, you will deal less dmg over time..


Because you have troubles following directions, I will repeat myself and make it more obvious.

Bronze sword is a one-handed weapon, huge axe is two handed weapon.
Bronze sword which is one-handed, can still be used with usage of two hands to put your whole body and might into a strike that will be devastating in results if it hits or devastating for the user if missed.
Huge axe or any two-handed weapon is more easly to manage with both hands and those attacks are always devastating if connect. Usually requires immense strenght and body to be wield but pays of double because you also use both in your attacks. But not as swift and quick as one-handed weapons.
In summary, you could still use bronze sword the same way you use huge axe. In case you would become a hulk, it would be even reversable.
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Re: Cleave+b12

Postby shubla » Sat Apr 11, 2020 9:34 pm

Aceb wrote:Bronze sword which is one-handed, can still be used with usage of two hands to put your whole body and might into a strike that will be devastating in results if it hits or devastating for the user if missed.

But what if you have shield on one hand? You throw it on the ground for a while and then pick it up in middle of the fight? I don't think so.

At the very least, tooltip of cleave should be changed not to say anything about "heavy" weapons.
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Re: Cleave+b12

Postby Aceb » Sat Apr 11, 2020 9:38 pm

shubla wrote:
Aceb wrote:Bronze sword which is one-handed, can still be used with usage of two hands to put your whole body and might into a strike that will be devastating in results if it hits or devastating for the user if missed.

But what if you have shield on one hand? You throw it on the ground for a while and then pick it up in middle of the fight? I don't think so.

At the very least, tooltip of cleave should be changed not to say anything about "heavy" weapons.


In haven terms, probably no. In reality terms, often did during duels, during large scale battle, could happen. But since this game is not about 100% realism, running with buckets without spilling water is almost as same as grabbing a sword while wielding a shield with both hands to perform heavy attack. Most swords aren't light weapons even if one-handed and haven doesn't possess any form of weight included.

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