Reduce the difficulty of fisherman credo

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Reduce the difficulty of fisherman credo

Postby overtyped » Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:04 pm

I was foolish enough to start this credo third in line, and I want to say it's harder than all the other credo's EASILY.

For example, it will ask you to catch 2 sturgeons. I've gotten more than two hundred+ fish and I've still never seen a sturgeon, even with the proper lures and string. The only recourse is abandoning it. Even if I fish all day there's likely little chance of getting one, ignoring the fact that this absurdly hard quest wants two at once.

Please remove the rare fish requirement, or at least make it less common. I would be willing to kill 50 beavers/swans/crabs rather than catch a single impossible-to-find rare fish.

Alternatively, please let us abandon already completed credo's to reduce the amount of quests, because I cannot complete the fisherman credo at all, time is not a factor here, it's simply next to impossible, so it would be more time-efficient to lose my other two credos, then rely on luck, than try to complete this monsterous credo straight up.

Edit: Now that I fully understand the fishing system I guess it's not hard.
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Re: Reduce the difficulty of fisherman credo

Postby Archiplex » Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:17 pm

i did this one after lumberjack, it's not that bad but its definitely annoying; i cleared it out in about 2-3 days

with fish the issue is poor documentation- experiment some more and you'll catch those sturgeons more easily
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Re: Reduce the difficulty of fisherman credo

Postby overtyped » Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:22 pm

Archiplex wrote:i did this one after lumberjack, it's not that bad but its definitely annoying; i cleared it out in about 2-3 days

with fish the issue is poor documentation- experiment some more and you'll catch those sturgeons more easily

Why do I feel like you are lying to me, or you were ridiculously lucky?
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Re: Reduce the difficulty of fisherman credo

Postby Uriel » Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:24 pm

I hate fisherman, I really do. Even nomad was more fun (and it was like eating nails).
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Re: Reduce the difficulty of fisherman credo

Postby Apocoreo » Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:25 pm

Oh yes please GOD this.

You go out to catch a fish you know the node for and end up catching more trash than fish. I started abandoned every catch quest that someone didn't already know the node for. In my village 5-7 people started it as their first credo and some people are STILL on it.

Really fishing itself needs an overhaul, this would just be a bandage but I need a bandage I'M BLEEDING.
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Re: Reduce the difficulty of fisherman credo

Postby LadyCricket » Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:38 pm

If you ask me, I'd be fine with the current level of difficulty if Fisherman wasn't required for so many other credos. Why the FUCK do I need the Fisherman's credo to start Mystic? Fish are full of timeless wisdom, are they?
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Re: Reduce the difficulty of fisherman credo

Postby VDZ » Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:52 pm

I'm currently on my last quest for Fisherman (did it as second credo) and I didn't have much trouble with it. Only had to abandon one quest.
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Re: Reduce the difficulty of fisherman credo

Postby Archiplex » Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:32 pm

overtyped wrote:
Archiplex wrote:i did this one after lumberjack, it's not that bad but its definitely annoying; i cleared it out in about 2-3 days

with fish the issue is poor documentation- experiment some more and you'll catch those sturgeons more easily

Why do I feel like you are lying to me, or you were ridiculously lucky?



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I think the problem is that fishing is, suffice to say, incredibly complicated. Memorizing/charting how every single hook, fishing line and lure impacts your chances to catch any particular fish, as well as the varied fish nodes and their exact locations is a goddamned chore- but after you have a good amount of them documented, it becomes way easier. Even "rare" fish aren't that bad (although admittedly i didn't get many of my 'rare' fish requests til after i had the increased chance to catch them)

For example, sturgeon is normally pretty rare? Yet with the right setup...
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Having good will is also super important; it's nightmarish to complete the credo with only 1 fish showing up at a time, but at 3/4 options it's a breeze to find and document fish.

The worst part about the credo is that it requires learning the fishing system, which isn't straightforward at all and is not similar in difficulty to hunter/forager at all. I 100% agree you should start fisher first, and that being able to abandon credos to reduce your quest is a good idea- and even that fisherman shouldn't be one of the first 3 base credos... but I also don't really think it's all that hard or bad once you actually learn how to fish.

Also, a trick to use: If you find a node that has a fish you want, but your % to fish is too low- fish for it in that spot using a bushcraft rod. Bushcraft just randomly gives you different fish and doesn't follow the normal % for fishing; I used this trick several times to complete a few quests where I could only find a node at 1-5% chance (you can also use the fisher hearth magic if you really want)
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Re: Reduce the difficulty of fisherman credo

Postby Sevenless » Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:28 pm

I completed mine in 24 hours because I've spent some time with the fishing system.

Fishing credo isn't hard if you know how to fish.
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Re: Reduce the difficulty of fisherman credo

Postby Potjeh » Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:14 pm

It's by far the easiest credo in the game, if it takes you more than a couple of hours you're doing it wrong. You can find sturgeon node in like 10min with decent gear combo and ability to see two fish. Free tip, use cattail, bone hook and feather fly for sturgeon. But yeah, everyone should either know how to fish or have someone in their group who does. I mean, what do you people eat before crops get going, roast meat or some shit like that?
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