Buff bows.

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Buff bows.

Postby Crest » Wed Nov 19, 2025 4:04 am

*Closes eyes*
*Breathes in deeply*

Revert the bow nerf. Buff bows. /LITERALLY/ no reason why they should be as worthless as they are currently. Completely unusable in PvP.
Marksman should be a valid primary combat skill. Marksmen should be part of group PvP.
PvP is solved and boring whenever bows are terrible. The only times PvP has been interesting is when bows aren't shit because it's very funny sniping people down.
I've taken part in bow based PvP, I've seen the most egregious videos of where bows are apparently unbelievably broken (like in world 10 even though they were hitting for like 1/8th of players health from people who went all in on marksmanship in the worlds were bows were viable which is literally the sort of damage you'd expect, and btw those players who were getting hit were never in any danger of dying or getting KO'd vs B12's which kill people effortlessly all the time).

All slander towards bows supposedly ruining the game is hyperbolic and unfounded. Marksmen add much needed complexity and variety to combat, but specifically group combat when a few marksmen are incorporated into teams. Combat without them is stale and dull.

Be bold, that's what the shorter worlds are for, right?
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Re: Buff bows.

Postby MightySheep » Wed Nov 19, 2025 8:37 am

Even if they just hit 20-40 dmg ppl get so mad about bows I never had the balls to full commit to an archer cuz I knew if I did the shit would just get nerfed if I was even halfway relevant. Also wat put me off is idk how u even scale ur just sort of hard capped by wood ql and stats seem pretty irrelevant which is a bit boring
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Re: Buff bows.

Postby Fostik » Wed Nov 19, 2025 11:15 am

I mean, I really would like to see low-skilled low stat players could join pvp as marksmen, being able to achieve some good results working in coordination of firing volleys denying frontal charges, creating deny zones by fire and other tactical and strategic larp stuff.

Although I understand reasons behind nerfs as any reasonable ranged weapon buff brings new meta which is barely possible to balance.
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Re: Buff bows.

Postby ZoniaX » Wed Nov 19, 2025 1:36 pm

But then we also need a "SHIELDWALL" stance to counter the arrows.
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Re: Buff bows.

Postby Halbertz » Wed Nov 19, 2025 4:09 pm

ZoniaX wrote:But then we also need a "SHIELDWALL" stance to counter the arrows.
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Shield already reducing damage from bows mate.
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Re: Buff bows.

Postby SnuggleSnail » Wed Nov 19, 2025 4:12 pm

The game should upload illegal material to people's computer and report them to the FBI if their character ever does damage to a player with a ranged weapon
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Re: Buff bows.

Postby vipes » Thu Nov 20, 2025 1:09 am

Medieval French nobles hate this one trick
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Re: Buff bows.

Postby Massa » Thu Nov 20, 2025 5:16 pm

SnuggleSnail wrote:The game should upload illegal material to people's computer and report them to the FBI if their character ever does damage to a player with a ranged weapon

i genuinely think everyone being in real danger of everyone is good design and ranged weapons should shred people and bow spam being the meta would be epic and hilarious

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/iDl4d0VktSo
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Re: Buff bows.

Postby Massa » Thu Nov 20, 2025 10:05 pm

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Re: Buff bows.

Postby Fostik » Fri Nov 21, 2025 4:05 pm

Massa wrote:i genuinely think everyone being in real danger of everyone is good design and ranged weapons should shred people and bow spam being the meta would be epic and hilarious

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/iDl4d0VktSo


In the battle captured on this video they had only single soldier shot by arrow, it didn't get too deep and arrow removal was performed without anesthesia
It describes haven pvp correctly: in 30 x 30 fight 1 dude was hit for 20 hp by bow, and that's it for losses caused by archery.
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