Theft and griefing in all games like this. Why allow it?

[g1real]

It seems you got the wrong impression when you started this game, it is not a hand-holding MMO.

Yeomanry and getting a personal claim up isn't hard, until then I suggest you travel the world. It takes 4~8 hours of travelling to get away from the crazies and be relatively safe depending on your need for social interaction.

Why do all game like this allow for theft and grief in the basest form like this? "If we dont allow theft and griefing we lose alot of players!"? Well, then you should prob add in rape and pedophilia, would prob win you some more players too.

What a non sequitur.

[chrisrock]

i can't wait until you're dead to see how bad you'll cry, OP...

[Torthur]

Now ive started my "base" in 2 spots.

First was a place i found after spawning, i walked for an hour to find water, then started building.
Built a Basket and finally got to relieve my inventory. Went exploring and gathering, came back. Basket gone.
Oh, well. It wasnt that bad. Build a crate, got alot of room! Looking at the skill panel, trying to figure out what id want to unlock next, exciting!
Guy in a boat comes along the water, steps out walks up and picks up my crate, gets in boat with crate, says some russian shit, rows away. No response to my please to not steal my nub stuff.
Builds a new crate, nothing in it. He comes and takes it after 3 minutes again. Dunno how names work, just says "???" and he speaks russian or something close to it.

Ok, this dosnt work. I move, i try to find a secluded area. I find a really nice spot and start learning the game and building. Get a timber house up and a drying rack. A bow that shoots randomly in a 75degree arc infront of me.( I read the guide, but fk me, i wait for as long as i dare before the animals run of. Not even close to hitting). Now its fun, things are moving forward, i found someone who was having trouble making a saw, i tried to help, but in the end i had to make it for him/her. (prob had not learnt it somehow) I come home...someone is close to my house. First person i see close to it. We talk briefly, he walks away.
I log out. 3 hours later i log in, get a message that my spawn point is unavailable becouse someone used it (chair) spawn at heartfire, my 5 crates gone, my kiln broken, drying rack gone, boulder (getting my first stone was impossible, i was walking everywhere trying to find a stone that wasnt a runestone) gone. So i have my empty house. Great...

I start building some new crates and decide to restock. Not much else to do before i get yeomanry unlocked, wish i hadnt unlocked archery considering how useless it is (at my lvl prob, cant afford to waste LP in precision).
Got a crate full of spindly taproots, another with rocks! Going pretty good. While sitting in my chair two chars comes walking over and picks them up right next to me and vanishes. Poof. Me and the house again.

Fuck this shit, seriously.

Why do all game like this allow for theft and grief in the basest form like this? "If we dont allow theft and griefing we lose alot of players!"? Well, then you should prob add in rape and pedophilia, would prob win you some more players too. "No, we dont support such things!" Why the fk support screwing others over with theft and grief? "Well.. its not so bad. Life's tough." So when your neighbour walks in smashes your TV, kills your dog and steals you soap dispenser your all "crap, i need a new soap dispenser?". Bullshit

The only ones whining if you remove the ability to take everything from noobs at all time with NO reprecussions should just go fk themselves anyways. Why do you want to make a game for those people?


Yea, im overreacting, but is the game really so shitty if your stuff is protected? At least for 24 hours after each login or something?

They walk up next to me and take my things, no matter where i am. Nothing i can do about it.

(Dont say "Game starts when u get yeomanry and locks", cuz then why the fk do we have to play this griefing shit before that.)

Mr. Scorn

Haven can be a hard go at the start and it sounds like your just a straight noob and don't know how to play this game.

Maybe this is more your speed, I looked it up especially for you, http://www.wanderthegame.com/ its a non-combat no competition MMO.

Incase that's not what you want to do and you want to play this game this, here is what I recommend.

1. Build a palisade (youll need the discoverys)
2. Put a claim in it.
3. use slave keys

To use the bow you need to line up the camera angle so your looking straight at the animal.

[whiskeypete]

qq

[Darruin]

I read your entire post but your topic title gives the perfect question. It's because if those things didn't exist then the game would lose an enormous amount of value and change into something barely recognizable. I notice you haven't even mentioned death which shows your level of understanding for haven's brutality. You shouldn't even be making threads like this if you understand so little. Trust me, there's many of us out there that have spent a long time in-game and wouldn't change a thing.

[Torthur]

edit: apparently I got a warning for a different post I made.

[shubla]

I got a forum warning from magicman ICT for my OP.

He said I trolling and intentionally misleading people.

So Magicman, what better advice would you give the guy? Since you think telling him how to shoot his bow, to get a palisade and put down a claim is trolling and misleading, lets hear your stellar advice for his problem.

Mods these days are a bit dumb. They give warnings for this kind of discussions. Whats wrong with these? Youre not complaining but discussing about it.
Also you should build brickwall or you die. Have master keys on alts. Use autohearth clients with alarms when somone comes visible. Be careful. Play only not on prime time.

[Frost6]

Im not leaving the game, i did over-react as i was pissed beyond reason. I like the concepts of the game, its the choice people make of taking newbs stuff all the time and the newbs not being able to do a thing about it.

They can walk up and take our stuff pretty much out of our hands. Again and again and again. Considering its just taproots and sticks inside, im very sure they dont need it. Its simply to grief.

Im sure im gonna get pissed when someone kills me for the same reason, being bored and just wacking me who dont even have the Rage skill. Not like its gonna impact them negatively anyways.

If people killed thiefs and for a reason its great. (And to some extent if thiefs were actually thiefs. Not just people wanting to watch the world burn.)

Hopefully if i meet any of you guys ingame itl be the ones other then Chrisrock and whiskeypete. Im sure you would murder me instantly cuz of this post.

[TeckXKnight]

Im not leaving the game, i did over-react as i was pissed beyond reason. I like the concepts of the game, its the choice people make of taking newbs stuff all the time and the newbs not being able to do a thing about it.

Yeah, the emotions get real in this game man. The fear, the anger, the heartbreak. Inversely, the sense of accomplishment, discovery, and comradery is just as strong. We're all junkies for the way this game makes us feel here. =)

[stya]

1. Build a palisade (youll need the discoverys)
2. Put a claim in it.
3. use slave keys

I am sorry but no, no, no !

1. Make a claim/vclaim big enough to protect the pali you want to make
2. Build the pali
3. Use slave keys

http://www.havenandhearth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=42784&hilit=cheap+claim