Chalcopyrite needs to yield more metal

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Re: Chalcopyrite needs to yield more metals

Postby Kaios » Tue Jun 14, 2016 9:15 pm

DisKagel wrote:Ah, but that it says when mining, not when forging, meaning that you have a higher chance to get ore from a vein, not a higher chance of getting a bar from ore.


That is incorrect. The portion of the description you care about reads "You enjoy the greatest possible success when mining and forging iron."

Yes, this sentence is indeed confusing and I can see how it could be easily misinterpreted. However, deep artifice improves the smelt rate of all ore you mine AS WELL AS improves the chances at forging wrought iron when hammering bloom.
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Re: Chalcopyrite needs to yield more metals

Postby DisKagel » Tue Jun 14, 2016 9:16 pm

Hasta wrote:"CHance of seccess when mining" implies, in my experience, higher chance for mined ore to yield metal when smelted, as well.


If it is a higher chance of mining and forging, why wouldn't the devs just put "a higher chance while mining and forging" instead "a higher chance while mining and forging wrought iron"
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Re: Chalcopyrite needs to yield more metals

Postby Ysh » Tue Jun 14, 2016 9:17 pm

DisKagel wrote:
Hasta wrote:"CHance of seccess when mining" implies, in my experience, higher chance for mined ore to yield metal when smelted, as well.


If it is a higher chance of mining and forging, why wouldn't the devs just put "a higher chance while mining and forging" instead "a higher chance while mining and forging wrought iron"

I think this developer is not native for English speaking. I think they have some instance of awkward words.
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Re: Chalcopyrite needs to yield more metals

Postby DisKagel » Tue Jun 14, 2016 9:22 pm

Kaios wrote:
DisKagel wrote:Ah, but that it says when mining, not when forging, meaning that you have a higher chance to get ore from a vein, not a higher chance of getting a bar from ore.


That is incorrect. The portion of the description you care about reads "You enjoy the greatest possible success when mining and forging iron."

Yes, this sentence is indeed confusing and I can see how it could be easily misinterpreted. However, deep artifice improves the smelt rate of all ore you mine AS WELL AS improves the chances at forging wrought iron when hammering bloom.


Perhaps the sentence is misleading (and the fact that I confused forging with smelting), and it only says "while mining". Assuming deep artifice applies to smelting, I would not think the chances would be massively greater than smelting without it
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Re: Chalcopyrite needs to yield more metal

Postby Kaios » Tue Jun 14, 2016 9:29 pm

Yeah, to address your overall point that chalcopyrite has a shitty smelt rate, I do agree. Obtaining copper during the early game is rather difficult because of this since it's unlikely you'd have deep artifice and may not even have tunneling at that point either. It would be nice to see it changed so that copper was the ore being produced more often out of chalcopyrite rather than iron.
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Re: Chalcopyrite needs to yield more metal

Postby Jacobian123 » Tue Jun 14, 2016 9:38 pm

Kaios wrote:Yeah, to address your overall point that chalcopyrite has a shitty smelt rate, I do agree. Obtaining copper during the early game is rather difficult because of this since it's unlikely you'd have deep artifice and may not even have tunneling at that point either. It would be nice to see it changed so that copper was the ore being produced more often out of chalcopyrite rather than iron.

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Re: Chalcopyrite needs to yield more metal

Postby Kaios » Tue Jun 14, 2016 9:43 pm

Jacobian123 wrote:But.. But- Muh main source of iron :(


Well okay but it should at least have an even smelt rate then, iron has ochre, bloodstone and black ore where as copper only has malachite.
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Re: Chalcopyrite needs to yield more metal

Postby vatas » Thu Jun 16, 2016 10:47 am

Clarification: to maximize the chance that ore turns into a bar of metal, mine the ore with character that has Deep Artifice.
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Re: Chalcopyrite needs to yield more metal

Postby Kaios » Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:09 pm

I read in another thread that chalcopyrite yield chance is 4% iron and 8% copper and the wiki seems to indicate this as well. I believe this to be false, there is no way I've received more copper than iron in most cases from chalco.
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Re: Chalcopyrite needs to yield more metals

Postby Itanu » Thu Jun 16, 2016 4:10 pm

DisKagel wrote:
Hasta wrote:"CHance of seccess when mining" implies, in my experience, higher chance for mined ore to yield metal when smelted, as well.


If it is a higher chance of mining and forging, why wouldn't the devs just put "a higher chance while mining and forging" instead "a higher chance while mining and forging wrought iron"


A simple way to fix the description would simply be to reverse the order of the two list elements:
"You enjoy the greatest possible success when forging wrought iron and mining."
This way there is no ambiguity in whether the meaning is taken as "(mining) and (forging iron)" or "(mining and forging) iron".
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