Bee Sting

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Re: Bee Sting

Postby Lyllianna » Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:39 pm

There could also be wild bee hives randomly spawning and you can only harvest once. Make them a little more rare than candle berry and only in forests. Maybe get 1 wax and 2 honey but only if you have container for honey. Equal chance for curio as Bee Skep but greater chance of getting stung. Bears spawn more frequently around active wild hive.
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Re: Bee Sting

Postby JeffChung » Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:50 pm

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sMartins wrote:Cool idea...i vote for damage + curio ( maybe is possible not take damage with a beekeeper suit or something like that....)


Beekeeper suit would be something, plus smoke to calm them. One missing gives single sting, both swarm attack.


Not sure about random swarm attacks but would be cool to have cave in equivalent for farming.
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Re: Bee Sting

Postby sMartins » Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:53 pm

Lyllianna wrote:There could also be wild bee hives randomly spawning and you can only harvest once. Make them a little more rare than candle berry and only in forests. Maybe get 1 wax and 2 honey but only if you have container for honey. Equal chance for curio as Bee Skep but greater chance of getting stung. Bears spawn more frequently around active wild hive.


Cool....and maybe bears have an increased aggro range if you have wax or honey in your inventory...

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Re: Bee Sting

Postby JeffChung » Sat Aug 27, 2016 12:00 am

Lyllianna wrote:There could also be wild bee hives randomly spawning and you can only harvest once. Make them a little more rare than candle berry and only in forests. Maybe get 1 wax and 2 honey but only if you have container for honey. Equal chance for curio as Bee Skep but greater chance of getting stung. Bears spawn more frequently around active wild hive.


I think this is a good idea but there should be more reward to balance risk (such as higher chance to get curious) or else no one would want to use them.
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Re: Bee Sting

Postby Lyllianna » Sat Aug 27, 2016 12:08 am

sMartins wrote:
Cool....and maybe bears have an increased aggro range if you have wax or honey in your inventory...

"There's a Bear in the forest"


Random event -- "There's a Bear in the Forest" -- ???exp -- "You watch in amazement Nature's smallest takes on Nature's biggest." Triggers on seeing a bear and a wild hive together.

I think this is a good idea but there should be more reward to balance risk (such as higher chance to get curious) or else no one would want to use them.


But if the curio only comes from getting stung it is still a better chance of finding it. Maybe add slightly higher damage as well but chance of multiple stings/curios. After all not every siting should give a curio.
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Re: Bee Sting

Postby Granger » Sat Aug 27, 2016 12:10 am

JeffChung wrote:
Lyllianna wrote:There could also be wild bee hives randomly spawning and you can only harvest once. Make them a little more rare than candle berry and only in forests. Maybe get 1 wax and 2 honey but only if you have container for honey. Equal chance for curio as Bee Skep but greater chance of getting stung. Bears spawn more frequently around active wild hive.


I think this is a good idea but there should be more reward to balance risk (such as higher chance to get curious) or else no one would want to use them.


Would be something for new players that don't have cycled barley yet.

And since I hate the container requirement the wild hive should give not honey but a honeycomb (which can be separated into honey and wax at your discretion).
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Re: Bee Sting

Postby Lyllianna » Sat Aug 27, 2016 12:12 am

And since I hate the container requirement the wild hive should give not honey but a honeycomb (which can be separated into honey and wax at your discretion).


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Re: Bee Sting

Postby dageir » Sat Aug 27, 2016 7:10 am

I never thought I'd say this, but some parts of the game is not convoluted enough, and one of them is beekeeping.

First: How do we aquire bees?
In the game by making a bee skep. For some reason the bees magically appear in the skep.
In real life that would almost never happen. We there fore need wild bees whom we must "harvest" by knocking them into a container, a skep for example.
Next we could breed the bees from already exisiting tame hives. We could do this by removing the beequeen with some other bees to a new skep.
The old skep would then hopefully create a new queen. (Chance of failure should be pretty high, maybe 30%?). We unfortunately do not have access
to modern equipment such as the Langstroth hive with frames.

Second: Honey and wax production.
Honey is derived from flowers and some plant juices other than flower nectar. The flow is best if there is a mix of some rain and alot of sun/warmth.
Weather should be introduced to make beekeeping more interesting. Prolonged dry weather/sun would halt the production of nectar. Cloudy/cold/rainy days
would also stop the flow of nectar. Wax takes alot of honey to be produced. Therefore the bees use most of their honey to feed on and build wax in the beginning.
Honey production should be slow in the beginning and depend on the weather as stated above.

Third: Harvesting.
In the olden days with beeskeps the wax was destroyed to aquire the honey. Every time we harvest wax/honey, the entire operation would be set back to almost scratch.
Most of the wax was removed and strained in a sift or cloth or something like that to make the honey purer.

Fourth: Storage.
You can not store honey in a bucket for a long ammount of time. Honey is hydrosopic and attracts water from the air. Over time the honey will be watered out
and start to ferment, creating the drink of the Gods: MEAD. If you want to keep honey as honey, you need to keep it in an airtight storage.

If you have any more questions about beekeeping, please ask. :)

Also: If you try to harvest/rob a hive for honey you will most likely evoke a violent and merciless reaction from the bees.
A human beeing is likely to die or be severly debilitated even if not being allergic.
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Re: Bee Sting

Postby jorb » Tue Aug 30, 2016 5:35 pm

Beekeeping should definitely get significantly more convoluted.
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Re: Bee Sting

Postby dageir » Tue Aug 30, 2016 7:40 pm

jorb wrote:Beekeeping should definitely get significantly more convoluted.


This is good news indeed!
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