Legal uncertainty and cheating

[isdel]

There's not going to be a "zero tolerance" policy. If anything their policy is the exact opposite, minimum interference. They've only intervened in cases involving egregious abuses like experience botting and actual exploits like walljumps. In this case these guys just used two mechanics which were apparently working as intended, so I wouldn't expect any intervention. You might disagree with what is made possible by using those mechanics, but in that case I would phrase it as a suggestion, not as a request for justice given that it doesn't appear any exploits were used here.

[sMartins]

We need to put people togethere, creating some identity .... do you think to be the only one that hate those craps? Giving at "good" people a better way to organize themself through game features will lead to have more intereactions, more trades, more cooperation and so more fights against ass holes and at the end more justice.
Good people on this games is way more than "assholes cheaters and exploiters"...but simply those are more organized cause is their aim to annoy others players, it's their fun....
Wouldn't be better instead of you and your mate if you had 10 more people at least with you, cause you said them, "hey guys we have some assholes near our town, doing this and this, who is with me to bash them completely?"

P.S. Devs intervenction is never a good thing....they shoould only improve mechanics....then it's the game that needs to be played, "evil forces" could win the same....it's not should only win "good forces"....otherwise makes no sense....you still need to fight.

[pedorlee]

If jorb and loftar have done nothing to fix the mechanics despite knowing of how awful they are, there should be no punishment for the players who abuse them

This exploit has been brought up, along with building signs, and then people argue for it being a legitimate mechanic that shouldn't be changed, so if you want someone to be angry with, you should be angry with the developers, not the players who are using what should be considered valid mechanics if they are KNOWN to be exploitable but still have not been fixed in favor of adding new animals every week.

The only reason they behaviour is leggit in your opinion is because there hasnt been a punishment before because devs have been weak.
This could have been solved during the rleh judgements 2 worlds ago.

[Leafstab]

I think the problem is mechanics are too obscure and newer players have no way of finding out about them, for example your able to agro and kill people on your pclaim and it could be used by new players to stop and kill troll alts, but in reality only thing its used for is luring new players on and killing them at the earliest stages, visitor debuff between a vclaim and pclaim are different and people don't realize the big reprocussion going through one gate might be vs the other.

[Kirche]

If jorb and loftar have done nothing to fix the mechanics despite knowing of how awful they are, there should be no punishment for the players who abuse them

This exploit has been brought up, along with building signs, and then people argue for it being a legitimate mechanic that shouldn't be changed, so if you want someone to be angry with, you should be angry with the developers, not the players who are using what should be considered valid mechanics if they are KNOWN to be exploitable but still have not been fixed in favor of adding new animals every week.

The only reason they behaviour is leggit in your opinion is because there hasnt been a punishment before because devs have been weak.
This could have been solved during the rleh judgements 2 worlds ago.

The behavior is legitimate in my opinion regardless of whether the developers punish people for it or not, if they're not going to fix the mechanics in the first place then it's their own fault, again, blame the developers, not the players.

[pedorlee]

But this wasn't cheating, it's intended behavior. Whether it's good design is a whole different discussion, but it's definitely not cheating.

Im pretty sure that wasnt the idea behind the visitor debuff. Maybe you are thinking as a coder here but the visitor debuff wasnt meant to be an offensive weapon. Look at the design of the island as you say.
Are you telling me that 2 naked alts can be placed as a weapon to kill a good player?
That makes no sense. This is an intentional behaviour of someone who uses mechanics instead of terrain to fight, if you allow this you are allowing unethic players to rule and win with zero effort.

[Valgar]

Or simply add a script that cancel the visitor debuff if any Red-Handed player is somehow admitted (trespassing, theft or vandalism) on the claim (vclaim or pclaim).
Like this the "Bad guys" will have to defend themselves without the help of the exploits. And add large, VERY large HHP Wounds to repetitives criminal acts in a 24h row (They will be able to enter their base with criminal acts, but will they if they are taking 50 then 100 HHP each crime commited (like trespassing).

[NaoWhut]

Or simply add a script that cancel the visitor debuff if any Red-Handed player is somehow admitted (trespassing, theft or vandalism) on the claim (vclaim or pclaim).
Like this the "Bad guys" will have to defend themselves without the help of the exploits. And add large, VERY large HHP Wounds to repetitives criminal acts in a 24h row (They will be able to enter their base with criminal acts, but will they if they are taking 50 then 100 HHP each crime commited (like trespassing).

[isdel]

Delete their account the 3rd time they get red handed, it's the only way to deal with the fag menace.