Email notification on updates

[Granger]

As for the topic at hand, I'm not necessarily against it, I'm just having a hard time seeing it as a service. Whenever I join a website, the first thing I look for is the "unclick me to not get spammed" checkbox, and then I report the ones who proceed to spam me in spite of that to the abuse department of their ISPs.

If you would offer these and send updates that point to your new business partners that now sell the improved penis enlargments (even when there are some here that seem to need such a product at times, so it would at least be related to the forum) you might have a point, in case you send a mail when you release an update it would be fine.

Two little checkboxes somewhere. Maybe they would be disabled by default to not annoy people too much.

This.
But I would make it only one: in case you're interested in the game then you can subscribe, at least then you don't have whine when you come back to a new world where the 'game sucks' as it isn't what you expect (= stuff has changed at all since Wx and still no access to the developer console).

Thats a little hardcore loftar.

No, it's the only way to go.
I would go a step further and voice my support to the innovative approach Daniel Suarez described in Daemon (ctrl+f 'spammers').

[Fostik]

Email notification is one of foundations of marketing - must be in the game.
However currently even registration notifications gets into the spam

[Granger]

You can send SPAM with perfectly valid SPF records, the only use SPF has is to deny 3rd party servers submitting mail as coming from your domain.

[Castille]

W10 had 1000+ and result was literally unplayable lag fest including rollbacks

There were a few crash bugs in the newly written code for World 10, but that was all; there was no server-side lag. The server handles 1000 players happily.

As for the topic at hand, I'm not necessarily against it, I'm just having a hard time seeing it as a service. Whenever I join a website, the first thing I look for is the "unclick me to not get spammed" checkbox, and then I report the ones who proceed to spam me in spite of that to the abuse department of their ISPs.

Well i think alot of people look for that button when they don't want information about something. But in this case i would love notifications when you update things, or the very least that you perhaps send out a notification if you ever plan to wipe the server.
I do check the forums, but sometimes it's 3-4 months inbetween. I want to join at the start of the server launch, not when 1-2 months have past. And i'd love to throw a few bucks your way. I'm sure it's abit of work, creating a mailing list, but you reap what you sow.

[Fostik]

You can send SPAM with perfectly valid SPF records, the only use SPF has is to deny 3rd party servers submitting mail as coming from your domain.

This is not configured properly, with random SPF, without DKIM, sends from server apache user (say whaaaaat?)
Mail sending need to be upgraded to DMARC standart.

[Granger]

You can send SPAM with perfectly valid SPF records, the only use SPF has is to deny 3rd party servers submitting mail as coming from your domain.

This is not configured properly

No, it is.

with random SPF,

No, DNS havenandhearth.com dosn't distribute SPF records - which wouldn't help against being sorted into SPAM by google anyway, just save them a tiny bit of energy on each mail claiming to be from @havenandhearth.com that was in fact sent from a 3rd party.

without DKIM,

Wouldn't help neither against being sorted into SPAM by google, same as with SPF.

sends from server apache user (say whaaaaat?)

This is perfectly fine, the www-data process on that machine (which dosn't mean it needs to be an Apache server) generated the mail.

Mail sending need to be upgraded to DMARC standart.

Why is there any need? Do you have problems with mails that claim to come from @havenandhearth.com but in fact don't?*

BTW: you leaked your mail address in the screenshot, better censor that before the other trolls on the forum subscribe you to every newsletter they find.
* as of the BTW you might possibly have the problem in the near future.

[loftar]

Mail sending need to be upgraded to DMARC standart.

Why is there any need? Do you have problems with mails that claim to come from @havenandhearth.com but in fact don't?*

I thing Google actually flags mail from any domain that doesn't support DMARC fully as spam by default these days. I've been meaning to look into that, but seem to have forgotten about it.

[Granger]

Mail sending need to be upgraded to DMARC standart.

Why is there any need? Do you have problems with mails that claim to come from @havenandhearth.com but in fact don't?*

I thing Google actually flags mail from any domain that doesn't support DMARC fully as spam by default these days. I've been meaning to look into that, but seem to have forgotten about it.

According to feedback from my customers (and what I see when I send myself mail from a non-enabled host to googlemail: they don't.
It would be a quite stupid move to flag all incoming mail from >50% of the internet as SPAM...

Again: DMARC is only effective against impersonalisation by a 3rd party, so it might be effective against phishing with forged sender domains - but it does absolutely nothing against SPAM. The only SPAM related benefit is that a mail that is flagged as forged could be spared the trip through the spamfilter by being directly rejected at SMTP MAIL FROM stage.

In case you have problems with your registration mails being received by googlemail users: https://support.google.com/mail/answer/81126?hl=en

[ricky]

Yeah loftar, I think it's completely justified for you fellas to send a "new world" email. If folks don't want to see that shit, they'll unsubscribe.

[Cyhidraethe]

So my suggestion is to make some sort of mailing list, or setting you can select on your account page to recieve a mail whenever a new world is announced.


The start of the game to mid game is where it's really at. And I would love to support the game with a subscription. However, I am not paying subscription mid-late game when I barely play. So a warning about kicking off a new world is not only healthy for the game population, but also for the continued funding of the server costs and futher development.


For me waiting for games to be released died with darkfall. I was following the development of that game from the very start, checking for updates and news several times a month for more than seven years. That was my teenage years ultimate gaming dream, and eventually nightmare. I gave up on the game ever beeing released, and several years later it got released, though I did not realize that until almost a year later, and that effectively killed the game for me.