Garden Pots OP

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Re: Garden Pots OP

Postby GamingRAM » Sun Feb 11, 2018 7:53 pm

Massa wrote:No it's cool.

It's a direct upgrade. Yes, it trivializes shit. But it's still farming. Mass production. Controlled production.


Keeps us locked inside, never leaving the safety of our walls.
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Re: Garden Pots OP

Postby Aceb » Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:15 pm

GamingRAM wrote:
Massa wrote:No it's cool.

It's a direct upgrade. Yes, it trivializes shit. But it's still farming. Mass production. Controlled production.


Keeps us locked inside, never leaving the safety of our walls.


Well, I barely see anyone being in safety of their walls despite being able to do this. Especially with Credos, which are sole reason to leave your walls.

+ Perfect solution was already proposed by the man himself:

jorb wrote:Idk. I could see simply adding more stuff to forage.
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Re: Garden Pots OP

Postby Massa » Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:16 pm

GamingRAM wrote:
Massa wrote:No it's cool.

It's a direct upgrade. Yes, it trivializes shit. But it's still farming. Mass production. Controlled production.


Keeps us locked inside, never leaving the safety of our walls.

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who forages on their main? there is 0 reason to ever have a main die, it's not possible
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Re: Garden Pots OP

Postby MadNomad » Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:31 pm

The fact that you can farm bluebells doesn't change a lot at all anyway as there are a lot of craftable curiosities which are a lot better/easier to get than farming bluebells in pots (although this one could also be considered easy, but not everyone likes to click so much when harvesting, so maybe consider it easy if u have bots)
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Re: Garden Pots OP

Postby GamingRAM » Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:37 pm

Aceb wrote:Well, I barely see anyone being in safety of their walls despite being able to do this. Especially with Credos, which are sole reason to leave your walls.

+ Perfect solution was already proposed by the man himself:



"Just add more stuff" isn't a solution in of itself. Kvanns were added and what good are they?

Is he going to add a new Bluebell equivalent that won't be able to be potted? Then why would you ever forage for that when you can get your cheap Q160+ Bluebell for a single gold quill?

Massa wrote:forage bot


If "botting" is your argument why is there such a huge surplus of the stuff now and not before?

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MadNomad wrote:The fact that you can farm bluebells doesn't change a lot at all anyway as there are a lot of craftable curiosities which are a lot better/easier to get than farming bluebells in pots (although this one could also be considered easy, but not everyone likes to click so much when harvesting, so maybe consider it easy if u have bots)


Farming bluebells without some kind of cost (Bat Guano for example) defeats the purpose of them being rare.
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Re: Garden Pots OP

Postby MadNomad » Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:46 pm

GamingRAM wrote:
MadNomad wrote:The fact that you can farm bluebells doesn't change a lot at all anyway as there are a lot of craftable curiosities which are a lot better/easier to get than farming bluebells in pots (although this one could also be considered easy, but not everyone likes to click so much when harvesting, so maybe consider it easy if u have bots)

Farming bluebells without some kind of cost (Bat Guano for example) defeats the purpose of them being rare.


Maybe if bluebells were better than curiosities which are better than they are, or if the best crafted curiosities required similiar resources (not something that can be easily spammed)

otherwise bluebells will be something that established players won't care about when they can easily mass produce something better
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Re: Garden Pots OP

Postby GamingRAM » Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:56 pm

MadNomad wrote:
GamingRAM wrote:
MadNomad wrote:The fact that you can farm bluebells doesn't change a lot at all anyway as there are a lot of craftable curiosities which are a lot better/easier to get than farming bluebells in pots (although this one could also be considered easy, but not everyone likes to click so much when harvesting, so maybe consider it easy if u have bots)

Farming bluebells without some kind of cost (Bat Guano for example) defeats the purpose of them being rare.


Maybe if bluebells were better than curiosities which are better than they are, or if the best crafted curiosities required similiar resources (not something that can be easily spammed)

otherwise bluebells will be something that established players won't care about when they can easily mass produce something better


Hmmm.... :thonk: That's an interesting point.

But rather than say they should farmable and rid the need to forage them, perhaps they could be an ingredient to a high end curiosity?

(Honestly I think a bigger issue is that Q is an imbalanced mess)
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Re: Garden Pots OP

Postby MadNomad » Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:01 pm

GamingRAM wrote:(Honestly I think a bigger issue is that Q is an imbalanced mess)


well yeah, I would qualify them in top 20 curios because of this, but this still doesn't mean there aren't 20 other, easier to get curios

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I think it wouldn't be a bad idea to make farming them in garden pots impossible (or if it made them turn into something worse enough to be allowed) if they had a lot better LP/H and base lp a lot higher than crafted curiosities and if the rarity was proper (Im not sure how rare it should be) at the same time.

GamingRAM wrote:Why can Bluebells be planted but not Boletes?

maybe devs forgot about it
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Re: Garden Pots OP

Postby GamingRAM » Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:08 pm

MadNomad wrote:
GamingRAM wrote:(Honestly I think a bigger issue is that Q is an imbalanced mess)


well yeah, I would qualify them in top 20 curios because of this, but this still doesn't mean there aren't 20 other, easier to get curios


Q as a whole really. Imbalance can cause content to become obsolete. It's a shame.
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Re: Garden Pots OP

Postby shubla » Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:11 pm

It was a nice surprise to see a bluebell when you were foraging.
These days you almost dont have to pick them, beacause its easier to farm them!
Its stupid!

Add some garden pot specific plants that can be studied, maybe you could plant a bluebell, but then it would turn into some other not-so-valuable crop.

Make foraged bluebells great again!
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