Remove alt vaulting

[shubla]

At least it would be more difficult to do this.

I think with criminal debuffs and all, the buff would not be even needed though.

Hahaha hahahahahaha hahahahahaha...
You're funny.

And either delusional or dishonest.

If you really think people would start checking all hearth fires that they see, and drop noobs stone axes from them. You are wrong.
I think you are the delusional one here

There is a similiar system in salem, you can loot from hearth-fire equivelant thing. But still, people dont loot other stuff than the valuables from them.

Too bad that you can not release your hate towards everyone by moderating their posts anymore!

[Aceb]

At least it would be more difficult to do this.

I think with criminal debuffs and all, the buff would not be even needed though.

Hahaha hahahahahaha hahahahahaha...
You're funny.

And either delusional or dishonest.

If you really think people would start checking all hearth fires that they see, and drop noobs stone axes from them. You are wrong.
I think you are the delusional one here

Not really. I find quite a few places where stuff from cupboards was just thrown to ground to disappear. True those were abandoned but if someone would drop everything from abandoned places, what would stop them from "pranking noobs" and people who misplaced thier HFs? He's not delusional lol.

Just because You believe in what You say, it doesn't matter it would be that way.

[MagicManICT]

If you really think people would start checking all hearth fires that they see, and drop noobs stone axes from them. You are wrong.
I think you are the delusional one here

I would. I have in other games.

Alt vaulting needs to be ended, but then look at bigger games and how well they've solved the issues. (Note: they haven't.) I will say that in the big space ship MMO you have to manually ferry goods out of unsecured areas (or areas soon to be unsecured) to safe areas leaving opportunity for someone to come by and smash the loot pinata. The removal of teleportation would help with this aspect. On the flip side in the space mmo, you have jump ships that can quickly move light years with large cargo loads, doing the same effective thing we have an issue with in Haven. The solution in the space MMO is that everyone keeps everything valuable they can in secure space. Only bring low value items to unsecured areas or items that you just can't avoid bringing out.

I just think it's unrealistic for a small team to try to resolve a problem that others can't seem to resolve. Even Salem's system for this has some glaring flaws and is just one of many reasons I don't play it.

Obviously I'm talking about EVE here.

[SlicingTheMoon]

Why stop there?
If they leave their heartfire out in the open like that, or getting raided, then thye pretty much deserved to be killed as well.
So lets put in "Slaughter" like with animals, so you can kill them almsot instantly without even fighting if you get to their heart fire.

Hell, lets make so their entire base self destruct completely if you touch their heart fire, like BOOOM all structures gone.
[/Sarcasm]

Your suggestion would literally make the game unplayable, it would motivate people so much to raid just to get to those heart fires.
And all the betrayals, it would be a shit storm.
I do not support character vaulting, but hell think of something better.

[shubla]

Your suggestion would literally make the game unplayable

I have played this game for a long time, and what you are saying does not make any sense at all.
In what way would ability to loot hearth fires make the game literally unplayable?

It wouldnt.

I think devs should try it at least. The game is in alpha, they should try things. It does not sound that difficult to implement, and reverting it is easy, if it really ruins the game.

[loftar]

Hahaha hahahahahaha hahahahahaha...
You're funny.

And either delusional or dishonest.

I'm not entirely sure. I think for many people, the effect of not being able to hearth home for two hours would not be worth the chance of getting two sticks and three q2 berries from a noob hearthfire, and given that those are probably 90%+ of the hearthfires you'll see in the wild, there's probably a case to be made that it wouldn't be worth the chance just bashing random hearths in the wild. I realize of course that there are people for whom that's not true, but I wonder if they are so many that it would be a practical problem. Like I said, not sure.

If anything, I'm thinking that perhaps it should be required to bash the hearthfire entirely, rather than being able to "check" the character through it and loot him selectively. That way it would require vandalism, and some base amount of strength and time, to even check if there's anything worth taking.

[Fierce_Deity]

Having to bash the hearthfire to gain access to the contents sounds okay. I think the player should keep whatever they have equipped on. That or theres just a random chance any piece of equipment drops. Same could go for the inventory. Bash their hearthfire, random chance to get the items. Could even weight gold and high quality items so that they have a higher chance to drop from bashing. So a set of q10 curios or tools would have no chance to drop, but a gold bar or Q500 seed may have a good chance to drop. Not a perfect system, but might work. I also feel that breaking a hearthfire should be a crime greater than vandalism, but not quite sure where to go with that line of thought.

[Granger]

If anything, I'm thinking that perhaps it should be required to bash the hearthfire entirely, rather than being able to "check" the character through it and loot him selectively. That way it would require vandalism, and some base amount of strength and time, to even check if there's anything worth taking.

Please check the posts of jordancoles in which he demonstrates the lengths he and his merry men went through to burn settlements to the ground as completely as possible. A vandalism scent is no hindrance to a good fraction of your players, given that quite some have no problem at all murdering any character they encounter on sight.

People will wake up to not only their villages industry burned down and they been looted of all means to rebuild it at a meaningful quality, but also all their keys no longer function as the master key had been harvested and they're now locked inside the village without access to the materials needed to free themselves.

My prediction is that the ability to loot offline characters will cost you players on a noticeable scale as it'll shaft the majority deep and hard while the permanent assholes visit their doctors to get burn ointment by the bucket as they'll overwank themselves while enjoying the 'fun' they'll derive from driving as much others as they can into rage-quit.

Bad idea, don't do it.

[sMartins]

but also all their keys no longer function as the master key had been harvested and they're now locked inside the village without access to the materials needed to free themselves.

That's already a dumb thing right now that needs to be fixed somehow later on, probably no keys should be required from the inside, I haven't really thought at that very hard, and I know there are some problems related for sure, but I'm also sure there is a better system for keys than what actually we have.

[borka]

My prediction is that the ability to loot offline characters will cost you players on a noticeable scale as it'll shaft the majority deep and hard while the permanent assholes visit their doctors to get burn ointment by the bucket as they'll overwank themselves while enjoying the 'fun' they'll derive from driving as much others as they can into rage-quit.

Bad idea, don't do it.

shubla if you worry about alt vaulting there is a solution called patience ... just watch a suspicious hf 24/7