Change to resource nodes, to promote conflict

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Re: Change to resource nodes, to promote conflict

Postby synaris » Sun May 27, 2018 8:58 pm

isnt that incredibly obvious? your idea still ensures that only the raiders get the resources but also encourages everyone else to die in pointless attempts to obtained them.
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Re: Change to resource nodes, to promote conflict

Postby overtyped » Sun May 27, 2018 9:00 pm

synaris wrote:isnt that incredibly obvious? your idea still ensures that only the raiders get the resources but also encourages everyone else to die in pointless attempts to obtained them.

it doesn't do that at all. It promotes groups vying for resources against one another, rather than a passive state, where the only conflict is people who are so bored, that they go raid anyone they can so they have something to do.
When do you see more than 1 or 2 naked alts at a resource when it spawns? is that fun for you?
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Re: Change to resource nodes, to promote conflict

Postby synaris » Sun May 27, 2018 9:05 pm

no, but i dont usually see a few naked alts at a resource, i see a personal claim and a palisade.

which is still better than seeing several raiders who wait at the resource to kill me. seriously, people wont just go there for the resource. raiders will kill players there out of bordom because the odds of players being there are higher than anywhere else.
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Re: Change to resource nodes, to promote conflict

Postby overtyped » Sun May 27, 2018 9:07 pm

synaris wrote:no, but i dont usually see a few naked alts at a resource, i see a personal claim and a palisade.

which is still better than seeing several raiders who wait at the resource to kill me. seriously, people wont just go there for the resource. raiders will kill players there out of bordom because the odds of players being there are higher than anywhere else.

No.. everyones gonna have an alt at a resource checking it anyways, if none comes to contest, the alts will just take. If the raiders have no interest in the resource, they won't gain anything. My idea is to make resources valuable enough to fight for.
As for the palisade and claim on many resources, that's fixable.
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Re: Change to resource nodes, to promote conflict

Postby synaris » Sun May 27, 2018 9:10 pm

you don't believe resources are valuable enough to fight for now? instant study of curios? travel weariness gone in an instant? heal any wound?
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Re: Change to resource nodes, to promote conflict

Postby DDDsDD999 » Sun May 27, 2018 9:11 pm

synaris wrote:you don't believe resources are valuable enough to fight for now? instant study of curios? travel weariness gone in an instant? heal any wound?

The people that fight don't give a shit about the resources.
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Re: Change to resource nodes, to promote conflict

Postby overtyped » Sun May 27, 2018 9:12 pm

synaris wrote:you don't believe resources are valuable enough to fight for now? instant study of curios? travel weariness gone in an instant? heal any wound?

correct, it's not. There is a massive amount of resources, enough for everyone without the need to fight. I personally have had 8 salt nodes with 8 naked alts at each one, none comes to contest. As for the ice, the spawn takes so long, and you only get 1 ice, most don't care about it, even big powers.
But if there was only a handful of ices, and each one gave 3 ices, that's a different story.
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Re: Change to resource nodes, to promote conflict

Postby RedKGB » Sun May 27, 2018 9:46 pm

Nice try on saying complaining about boredom, and lack of conflict then worry about hermits. The game it self is my enjoyment, I don't need someone else to make the game fun for me. That is why I live as a hermit. Yea join a village from time to time to help folks out, but I live alone.


You seem to have this over burden desire to run around and kill people. That's fine, that how you want to play. But you should not expect others to feel the same way, and should not keep pushing for changes to force people into that mode. If I get caught out and about, then I expect to die at any encounter I make. It is an open world and anything goes. The possibility of death is one of the great things about the game, however you seem to think it is better to force others to fight to add to your enjoyment.
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Re: Change to resource nodes, to promote conflict

Postby azrid » Sun May 27, 2018 10:08 pm

As a top level experienced hermit I approve.
Problem is a lot of people will feel like they are being stolen content from probably the devs even since they seem to be hermits and expressed that they like how it works. These resources should have been done the way OP posted from the beginning though.
I also like the airdrops meme from other games. You could call it gift from gods and play this song louder the closer you get to the gift. The airdrops could also be just meteors with something useful. A new idea ensures jealous hermits wont stop the game from getting the content it desperately needs. I would like to remind there was a lot of posts saying dungeons were too hard but now that has settled down as well.
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Re: Change to resource nodes, to promote conflict

Postby Robben_DuMarsch » Sun May 27, 2018 10:45 pm

Yes, I approve of the OP.
Simply add in random spawns so they can't be walled off.
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