Revert Maneuver changes in PVE

[jordancoles]

Thanks to this maneuver change melee actually has a use. UA staying as king of all combat is bad imo.
Its easier to ask for a revert rather than getting MC for some people it seems.
Pretty sure jorb and loftar want MC to be used for something too.

Um. Those aren't the maneuvers in question, though? Those are attacks, which have nothing to do with the discussion at hand? They're talking about things like Parry, Chin Up, Oak Stance, Shield Stance, etc. I mean, you're not wrong in that the melee attacks are way better than the UA attacks.

He's saying pure MC builds got a buff because if you keep your UA low but MC high your parry effectiveness is better while their maneuvers against you are worse, and he does have a point.
The issue I have however is with how the change is affecting PVE

[azrid]

I am talking about PvE purely in my post.
To beat all PvE content efficiently you now actually have to use MC.
I only hope ranged gets a similar treatment where its useful somewhere.

And the image in my post was to the retard pretending to be a retard showing him he is actually a retard not only pretending.

[jordancoles]

I am talking about PvE purely in my post.
To beat all PvE content efficiently you now actually have to use MC.
I only hope ranged gets a similar treatment where its useful somewhere.

And the image in my post was to the retard pretending to be a retard showing him he is actually a retard not only pretending.

If shield stance also gave a bit of defense reduction whenever you get attacked it would be much better suited for dungeon PVE
The defense bonus is nice but oak stance wins out just because of that reduction whenever you're attacked

[azrid]

Any nerf to UA PvE is a good thing. I don't think they should change it back for PvE.

[Ardennesss]

Things noobs do: Use UA in PvE.

Not sure if serious or down syndrome.

Any nerf to UA PvE is a good thing. I don't think they should change it back for PvE.

Thanks for answering this question for me. Go walk into a bat dungeon with parry as your active maneuver and clip the result, please. UA was infinitely more useful than MC, but the solution is to buff MC not nerf UA. The combat system would need a major overhaul before anybody would consider raising 6k MC instead of 6k UA.

Are you going to post any logical points about why you support the blanket nerf to UA maneuvers or are you speaking from experience raiding ant hills?

[azrid]

Go walk into a bat dungeon with parry as your active maneuver

No I won't do noob things.

I use shield up in dungeons. Parry is not worth if going against more than 5.
If parry was red again it would be nice with full circle.

If you need any dungeoneering lessons send me a pm.

[Ardennesss]

I use shield up in dungeons.

Ah. The UA nerf made your dumbass character build less dumbass, so you're opposed to it going back to being useless. Alright.

[azrid]

I like MC having a different role from UA.

[Ardennesss]

I like MC having a different role from UA.

MC does have a different role, and it should. This thread isn't about MC vs UA, MC is too weak in it's current state. I don't think you can make them equals without a significant combat overhaul however, which is in the change pipeline. In the interim, the fix isn't to lower the effectiveness of UA to encourage the use of a still inferior MC.

[DDDsDD999]

MC is too weak in it's current state..

Not really, it's really underestimated tbh