Bot solutions : Salem's not allowed to do better than you

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Re: Bot solutions : Salem's not allowed to do better than yo

Postby ctopolon4 » Mon Sep 03, 2018 4:43 pm

when we will have not open source client,
hope standart client will be upgraded before it...
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Re: Bot solutions : Salem's not allowed to do better than yo

Postby Ardennesss » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:25 pm

MagicManICT wrote:Pretty sure those dev powers would let them see who is doing it, at least what accounts, and the IP logged in from. I think the bigger issue is some of the "spam messages" that have caused the same type of server lag we've seen here, such as someone making a bot to quickly shove through a few hundred commands to the server in a second or two. Put a timer on that shit and people won't lag the server out all the time, and anyone repeatedly abusing the server gets their account banned. A good script writer can play nice with the server if they want to.


There's already a built in system that disconnects you if you send too many server calls in a short amount of time.

You can't get rid of botting unless you want Jorb/Loftar to dedicate time to policing villages or until the client goes closed source again. The former can't happen for practical reasons and the latter can't happen until the default client doesn't suck.
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Re: Bot solutions : Salem's not allowed to do better than yo

Postby Lyrroth » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:57 pm

Just to make it clear, making client closed source won't do much at this point :>

The best solution to counter bots is to implement a good algorythm, that is supported by a LIVING PERSON. One without another is pointless.
We know we don't want those two guys to do that, we want them to develop game.



Also, You all don't know how much scripter, botter can be creative to hide the fact.
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Re: Bot solutions : Salem's not allowed to do better than yo

Postby neeco » Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:10 pm

ctopolon4 wrote:when we will have not open source client,
hope standart client will be upgraded before it...


People already know how the client works. Removing the client from open source will not remove bots.

And to be honest, custom clients and their hardworking creators/maintainers have done wonders for this game. Being forced to play on the default client in its present state is almost a turn-off from the game.
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Re: Bot solutions : Salem's not allowed to do better than yo

Postby ctopolon4 » Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:30 pm

neeco wrote:Removing the client from open source will not remove bots.

it will remove huge part of them,
next step = antibot system (some ppl uses autoclicker to speedup curio every 15min, and drain exp from realm, sidesoft not depends on client),
next step = manual check (to remove very clever bot users)

anyway botters give more value to devs than usual users (more money more feedback)
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Re: Bot solutions : Salem's not allowed to do better than yo

Postby DDDsDD999 » Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:41 pm

ctopolon4 wrote:
neeco wrote:Removing the client from open source will not remove bots.

it will remove huge part of them,
next step = antibot system (some ppl uses autoclicker to speedup curio every 15min, and drain exp from realm),
next step = manual check (to remove very clever bot users)

anyway botters give more value to devs than usual users (more money more feedback)

There were custom clients before the client was open source, closing the client would change nothing.
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Re: Bot solutions : Salem's not allowed to do better than yo

Postby Lunarius_Haberdash » Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:29 pm

ctopolon4 wrote:
neeco wrote:anyway botters give more value to devs than usual users (more money more feedback)


Cite your sources.
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Re: Bot solutions : Salem's not allowed to do better than yo

Postby MrPunchers » Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:04 pm

Jus make accounts attached the system's id and if you have more than one account you get a gaggle of gharials sicced on you.
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Re: Bot solutions : Salem's not allowed to do better than yo

Postby MagicManICT » Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:16 pm

Lyrroth wrote:Just to make it clear, making client closed source won't do much at this point

It wouldn't do any good ever because reverse engineering network packets is too easy. Using any kind of encryption or obfuscation would be pointless as you could just catch any data moving to a process before the encryption hit it.

We're coming to the day where it'll be just like back in the 1960s-70s with dumb terminals. You just need to stream the video output and send inputs to the host computer. You can already do this with the PS4. There have already been a few commercial subscription services that have tried this. If you have a good network connection (and decent computer to run a game and encode the streaming video), you can set it up on your home PC.
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Re: Bot solutions : Salem's not allowed to do better than yo

Postby ctopolon4 » Tue Sep 04, 2018 8:12 am

Lunarius_Haberdash wrote:Cite your sources.

botting = good Q = selling for tokens = $$$ to dev
botting = 40k charisma = 200kk LP per quest = bug report
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