Smoke the bees!

[dageir]

If an unprotected human tried to extract honey or wax from a good sized hive (20000 + bees) they would likely be killed. This goes also for a "domesticated" hive.

Make the domesticated similar in behaviour to the "Wild" one. They would be peaceful when not being interacted With. They would tear you a New one if you started to mess With their honeycomb.
I suggest a bee suit and a primitive smoker (bundle of leaf/grass) to handle bees.

[Romantyk12]

Nice idea, +1

[tetradigem]

Excerpt from the SAS Survival Guide:

"During the day worker bees venture far from the nest, but all gather there at night. Then is the time to strike. Make a torch from a bundle of grass and hold it very close to the entrance so that the nest fills with smoke. Then seal the hole. That kills the bees, making an immediate meal, and making their honey safely available."

This would, obviously, kill the larvae though. Maybe it makes them totally harmless and easy to raid but only yields Odd Honeycombs?

wouldnt effect the larvae, they are sealed safely inside of honeycombs. the smoke wouldnt even be noticed by them.

[dageir]

Larvae can not survive without the care of the nursing bees.

[linkfanpc]

Excerpt from the SAS Survival Guide:

"During the day worker bees venture far from the nest, but all gather there at night. Then is the time to strike. Make a torch from a bundle of grass and hold it very close to the entrance so that the nest fills with smoke. Then seal the hole. That kills the bees, making an immediate meal, and making their honey safely available."

This would, obviously, kill the larvae though. Maybe it makes them totally harmless and easy to raid but only yields Odd Honeycombs?

wouldnt effect the larvae, they are sealed safely inside of honeycombs. the smoke wouldnt even be noticed by them.

Aah, i suspected that. Not too knowledgeable about how bees work. (A great extent of said knowledge comes from that one Futurama episode. xd) Although getting the larvae for free sees a bit unbalanced imo. I say either it makes the hive harmless to raid but no larvae, or keeps the larvae but just reduces amount of bees that spawn/reduced damage taken/reduces the health of all swarms.

[dageir]

Again. Killing the adult bees would kill the larvae.

Edit:
A more detailed explanation:




As you can see the stages of the Development of bees can be divided into Three main phases: egg, larvae and pupae.

In the larval stage the larva Depends on being fed by spesialized bees (nurse bees or nursing bees). If all adult bees are killed and you only have eggs or larvae, the hive is doomed.
In order for the hive to survive long term it needs a Queen. She is the only individual laying eggs that gives rise to worker bees(females) and New Queens.
New Queens form if a larvae is given a special kind of Food during day 1-3 in the larval stage, royal jelly. If no larvae are fed royal jelly, no New Queens forms and if the old Queen is dead, the hive is doomed.
In order to make more beehives, the simplest Method is to separate the queen from the nurse bees + comb (wax) with eggs and/or larvae. The worker bees will sense the abscence of a queen and will start feeding royal jelly to selected larvae.


This was the short explanation.

[Vassteel]

When harvesting a domesticated hive its fairly common for an experienced bee keeper to just wear a tshirt and long pants. If a hive is going to be unruly they will notice it before they even prepare to open the hive. so i dont think harvesting your skeps should always spawn angry bees. maybe just a rare chance of doing so 1~3 % at most




Suggestion for Bee related patch: a Bee beard hat >

[linkfanpc]

Again. Killing the adult bees would kill the larvae.

Edit:
A more detailed explanation:




As you can see the stages of the Development of bees can be divided into Three main phases: egg, larvae and pupae.

In the larval stage the larva Depends on being fed by spesialized bees (nurse bees or nursing bees). If all adult bees are killed and you only have eggs or larvae, the hive is doomed.
In order for the hive to survive long term it needs a Queen. She is the only individual laying eggs that gives rise to worker bees(females) and New Queens.
New Queens form if a larvae is given a special kind of Food during day 1-3 in the larval stage, royal jelly. If no larvae are fed royal jelly, no New Queens forms and if the old Queen is dead, the hive is doomed.
In order to make more beehives, the simplest Method is to separate the queen from the nurse bees + comb (wax) with eggs and/or larvae. The worker bees will sense the abscence of a queen and will start feeding royal jelly to selected larvae.


This was the short explanation.

What's your point? That the larvae would all die? Sure, add a queen bee that you get and is also required. Or are you suggesting that collected larvae should die off over time? Or that we should just not be able to smoke them at all, as it kills the adults and the larvae would die too, despite us being able to simply migrate them to a new hive/skep?

[budzilla]

Again. Killing the adult bees would kill the larvae.

"Snippet"

This was the short explanation.

So what you're saying is, even with the current method that exists IG, we should not be able to start our own apiarys?

+1 to OP.

[dageir]

It was stated that one would use lethal smoke for some reason. That would kill the entire hive.


Also:

The attitudes of the bees would not change in 0 generations. The calmness of Our domesticated bees is the result of breeding for thousands of years..