Voting experiment

Thoughts on the further development of Haven & Hearth? Feel free to opine!

Re: Voting experiment

Postby neeco » Fri Apr 12, 2019 5:11 am

Granger wrote:
shubla wrote:Voting would be only allowed for verified or subscribed accounts to prevent abuse of it.

I could well live with Pay2Develop: Voting should be done through subtokens which are removed from the account the moment the vote is cast, the ones voted on the option not selected are returned to the respective accounts.


This is... really bad. Pls no. Get some help.
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Re: Voting experiment

Postby MagicManICT » Fri Apr 12, 2019 5:42 am

neeco wrote:
Granger wrote:
shubla wrote:Voting would be only allowed for verified or subscribed accounts to prevent abuse of it.

I could well live with Pay2Develop: Voting should be done through subtokens which are removed from the account the moment the vote is cast, the ones voted on the option not selected are returned to the respective accounts.


This is... really bad. Pls no. Get some help.

Other games have done it and it's worked just fine. Path of Exile is one of them. The large backers and donors get to design an item, or they get one of their character builds featured in the game. Would it work in Haven? No idea as the idea is pretty damn generic and no details of what backers would be allowed to create/do. It's hard to support such things without know details, but nothing wrong with shubla's idea. Also nothing wrong with Granger's take on it, though have to say as one of the cheap ass gamers on this forum, I don't care for it.
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Re: Voting experiment

Postby jock » Fri Apr 12, 2019 5:54 am

MagicManICT wrote:Other games have done it and it's worked just fine. Path of Exile is one of them. The large backers and donors get to design an item, or they get one of their character builds featured in the game. Would it work in Haven? No idea as the idea is pretty damn generic and no details of what backers would be allowed to create/do. It's hard to support such things without know details, but nothing wrong with shubla's idea. Also nothing wrong with Granger's take on it, though have to say as one of the cheap ass gamers on this forum, I don't care for it.


I think haven would be better stealing path of exiles private league set up.
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Re: Voting experiment

Postby Avu » Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:19 am

Yes Private league. I'll take it as an alternative to PVE server. I can picture it in my mind already. Jorb can has now?
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Re: Voting experiment

Postby MooCow » Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:56 am

Hasta wrote:Imagine if there were a well-organised group of people. A group of people with a very specific view on gameplay and morally ambiguous goals they set for themselves while playing this game. Imagine there's a vote on "should we make palisades basheable, remove the non-rage characters trait and allow players to wield two B-12 simultaneously". This group of people pools up and pays for enough subtokens to push this vote through. What happened? They made the game more to their liking, yes. In fact, they've paid a non-negligible amount of money to do so. But will this change be beneficial for all the players? I am strongly inclined to believe it will not.

Ofcourse these are just hyperbolised and very theoretical musings. There are no well-organised groups of people in this game whose main goal is to Dominate all the other players in every way imaginable, and if there were, they surely wouldn't put their own interests before the wellbeing of the whole community while voting via paid subtokens on important matters.


As long as the developers are the ones that choose what people vote on, we don't have to worry about others pushing an agenda. Having a vote on palibashing would be awful. Having a vote on siege timers, or cairn soak is a really good idea.
Shubla, or grangers system works well for this kind of thing.

Additionally, even if they just pull ideas out of C&I, it isn't like Loforb would just pull random bad ideas to vote on.
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Re: Voting experiment

Postby Lyrroth » Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:36 am

the chances for it to be good as well as bad are equal in same as it results would be equally bad or good. i cant let myself be against or stand with the idea but the only thing i would personally wish for is for jorb and loftar sometimes, make a poll on what they should focus first from their list or jorb making a poll on what he should fix next as an artist and stuff.
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Re: Voting experiment

Postby Hrenli » Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:02 am

Democracy doesn't work in software development. (I'd argue that it doesn't work period but that'd be another story and thread derailment)
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Re: Voting experiment

Postby Granger » Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:20 am

Hrenli wrote:Democracy doesn't work in software development. (I'd argue that it doesn't work period but that'd be another story and thread derailment)

My idea, at least, wouldn't be democracy - at least not as it was originally defined - but more like the capitalist abomination (who pays more has the say) that is currently sold to us under this label. Thus it would be quite realistic.
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Re: Voting experiment

Postby Uriel » Sat Apr 13, 2019 5:17 pm

jock wrote:OR just let us have private servers so we can mod the game.

Hell no. Even less players then.

And voting - also no.
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Re: Voting experiment

Postby MooCow » Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:02 pm

We should have a vote on what kind of voting system we should have!
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