Pacifism (the Rage skill good twin)

[loleznub]

Any type of immortality would be bad unless it has hefty downsides, which this lacks.

Being evicted from PvP combat or, when aborting the port, faceplanting (for a nice concussion) not bad enough for you?

If someone purchases this skill they obviously aren't interested in PvP combat in the first place, thus rendering your first example irrelevant. The second one about faceplanting I would also discount, other than the fact that people will likely panic-abort and try to run away like sprucecaps. Concussions aren't even that bad. Get some snow and apply it to the wound while that character sleeps in a bed for the next day as you play on your alts instead. So yes, this clearly isn't good enough as it doesn't really punish players for their choices. We're talking about characters being unkillable here, effectively avoiding the only long-standing punishment to players: death. If you're going to remove this gameplay from all these characters then yes, I think they should also have a lot of gameplay removed to truly experience what Pacifism means. Don't pull a Kaios and try to get only the benefits out of something without any consequences included.



Let alone I think it brings up a valid point of buffing Rage characters if this were implemented because those people are at least willing to risk their progress. How about a 50-100% bonus to learning ability just for risking your character?

thus creating ANOTHER reason for people to have alts.

The game caters to creating alts.

This fact will never change.

I posted this with you in mind, so I'm surprised to see you bringing this up. Not sure what your goal is here other than, once again, provide useless input on something. Not surprising there, to be honest.

[Kaios]

I posted this with you in mind, so I'm surprised to see you bringing this up. Not sure what your goal is here other than, once again, provide useless input on something. Not surprising there, to be honest.

haha ya sure you did, I point it out because you obviously have some conflicting values going on if you're concerned about alts in one thread but in another brush off the importance of taking measures towards reducing the reasons to make alts in the first place. Make up your mind, you can't have your cake and eat it too.

Don't pull a Kaios and try to get only the benefits out of something without any consequences included.

I don't even like the suggested idea in this thread. I'm of the opinion we should be moving towards implementations that encourage players to take part in pvp and more dangerous content, not give players more power to opt out of those things entirely.

[MooCow]

[TL;DR: pacifists should die when crossing the river in the creation room]

I think the PvP lovers overdo it a bit.

I am neither a PVPer, nor trying to blast pacifism into oblivion.

There is no dichotomy between just actions and unjust ones. Only a dichotomy between victim and aggressor. If players are given a shield, they will use it to hurt you.

By cementing the distinction that pacifists can only be victims, it prevents people from using it in a dishonest way. Most importantly, if they have any combat ability they will be useful in pvp fights. The auto hearth idea would not work, because you could lock a player down permanently if you agroed them near their hearth. The next best thing is forcing their combat ability to be low, and this naturally prevents PvE

Being an awesome pacifist monk that only unleashes the kick ass when provoked isn't possible.

Being able to hearth away while in combat it actually really powerful. Even a player right beside you could only get in a small number of hits. It is possible that the KO hearth interrupt should be removed, but I hardly think my suggestion implies I want pacifists to die. In reality I would play one with the worst of the restrictions I gave.

[MagicManICT]

victim and aggressor.

In a game, there are only aggressors. It's a philosophical discussion I really don't want to carry out, not only because it's completely unrelated to the thread, but also because it should be glaringly obvious to anyone that puts more than 5 minutes of rational thought into the problem.

it's true that any mechanic placed into a game will be used in offensive purposes, and then where will people who are trying to just "enjoy the game" be? Screwed, that's where.

[MooCow]

In a game, there are only aggressors. It's a philosophical discussion I really don't want to carry out, not only because it's completely unrelated to the thread, but also because it should be glaringly obvious to anyone that puts more than 5 minutes of rational thought into the problem.

I believe I may have misspoke. When I referred to victim/aggressor I meant in a specific event. When you steal, you are stealing, and they are stolen from. Regardless of any previous events or injustices, in that specific moment, you are a theif, and they are a victim of your thieving. I was just trying to say that pacifists should not be able to do bad things to players, but players should be able to do bad things to pacifists if they choose to. No philosophy intended

It's true that any mechanic placed into a game will be used in offensive purposes, and then where will people who are trying to just "enjoy the game" be? Screwed, that's where.

Yeah, I would like to see pacifism, but I would hate if it just turned into another way to grief.

[loleznub]

I posted this with you in mind, so I'm surprised to see you bringing this up. Not sure what your goal is here other than, once again, provide useless input on something. Not surprising there, to be honest.

haha ya sure you did, I point it out because you obviously have some conflicting values going on if you're concerned about alts in one thread but in another brush off the importance of taking measures towards reducing the reasons to make alts in the first place. Make up your mind, you can't have your cake and eat it too.

Don't pull a Kaios and try to get only the benefits out of something without any consequences included.

I don't even like the suggested idea in this thread. I'm of the opinion we should be moving towards implementations that encourage players to take part in pvp and more dangerous content, not give players more power to opt out of those things entirely.

Again, another post adding nothing pertinent to the topic. Perhaps you should take a step back, breath, and read what I'm writing before you pull an Ozzy again. I never once said I liked alts, merely stated the fact that the game caters to them. If you cannot understand the difference here, you should refrain from posting as it makes you look unintelligent (Even if it's already to late for that, at least you can stop adding fuel to that fire).

[Avu]

PVP-ers: if we can't milk our goat sun up to sun down let's kill everyones sheep.

[R509]

naw just make everyone killable

[Kaios]

Again, another post adding nothing pertinent to the topic. Perhaps you should take a step back, breath, and read what I'm writing before you pull an Ozzy again. I never once said I liked alts, merely stated the fact that the game caters to them. If you cannot understand the difference here, you should refrain from posting as it makes you look unintelligent (Even if it's already to late for that, at least you can stop adding fuel to that fire).

man I gave you one negative response in an entirely different thread and u let your anger carry over in to others like are your panties all wadded up or what lol I think ur the one that needs to chill out, we both end up adding to the noise and contributing nothing of value to any thread when we make responses like this to each other

[loleznub]

Again, another post adding nothing pertinent to the topic. Perhaps you should take a step back, breath, and read what I'm writing before you pull an Ozzy again. I never once said I liked alts, merely stated the fact that the game caters to them. If you cannot understand the difference here, you should refrain from posting as it makes you look unintelligent (Even if it's already to late for that, at least you can stop adding fuel to that fire).

man I gave you one negative response in an entirely different thread and u let your anger carry over in to others like are your panties all wadded up or what lol I think ur the one that needs to chill out, we both end up adding to the noise and contributing nothing of value to any thread when we make responses like this to each other

Again, another post adding nothing pertinent to the topic. Perhaps you should take a step back, breath, and read what I'm writing as you're pulling an Ozzy again. You've legitimately described yourself perfectly, however, have missed the mark quite significantly with myself. If you take a look in both threads you will see, with very clear evidence, that I have contributed with valid points to the threads more than you. In fact, the only "noise" I have contributed has been much like this post, in response to you because you just don't get it for some reason.

If you would like to continue this conversation, please send me a PM so we can discuss this like gentleman, instead of shitposting in a C&I thread. I thought you knew this wasn't allowed as this isn't The Moot (Shouldn't have given the benefit of the doubt to a person with almost 8,000 posts, so that's my mistake), but regardless would a kind mod please remove all these shitposts from this thread so the adults can continue our discussion without all this non-relevant noise cluttering up the thread.