All trees should have boughs

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Re: All trees should have boughs

Postby Lunarius_Haberdash » Sat May 18, 2019 4:58 am

MooCow wrote:As a person who knows basically nothing about trees, boughs, and thatching . What makes a tree good or bad for this purpose?


The denseness of the ancillary branches, resilience of the leaves (Which is why evergreens are ideal), water resistance, the durability of the structure when dried (Some branches suck), flexibility of the branches in both the dried and undried state.

Also - Be glad he doesn't require us to put bracken down before we put down thatching. By all rights, we should have to gather nettles and ferns to lay under the thatching to ensure its weather tight.

I could, however, accept all trees having boughs under one condition. That some of them weren't good for thatching but were excellent for use as tree hay. (Fun fact: Animals eat grasses because that's what we feed them. Cows and the like are perfectly capable of eating and enjoying supple branches and foliage from trees.)
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Re: All trees should have boughs

Postby MooCow » Sat May 18, 2019 6:17 am

Thank you for the insight!

Personally, I would find it confusing if only some boughs where good for thatching and I greatly enjoy a lot of the subtle realism in the game. If we did get boughs from other trees, it would probably be better if they were called something else.

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Re: All trees should have boughs

Postby dageir » Sat May 18, 2019 7:09 am

Spruce, fir etc do not have leaves!
Have you guys ever been outside?
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Re: All trees should have boughs

Postby Lunarius_Haberdash » Sat May 18, 2019 4:15 pm

dageir wrote:Spruce, fir etc do not have leaves!
Have you guys ever been outside?


Spruce/Fir/Pine all have leaves they're simply shaped like needles and commonly referred to as such. Still leaves.
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Re: All trees should have boughs

Postby dageir » Sun May 19, 2019 5:43 pm

Lunarius_Haberdash wrote:
dageir wrote:Spruce, fir etc do not have leaves!
Have you guys ever been outside?


Spruce/Fir/Pine all have leaves they're simply shaped like needles and commonly referred to as such. Still leaves.


In a scientific sense you are right. I am not a native English speaker so I do not know if it is common to say spruce leaves.
Anyone know?
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Re: All trees should have boughs

Postby vatas » Sun May 19, 2019 5:46 pm

Depending on the craft, boughs represent both branches with significant amount of leaves or needles on it and just longer/thicker branches in general. Latter could be reasonably extracted in almost any tree but unfortunately I don't see any efficient way of adding this to the game without massive tree rework that unfortunately can't be put high at all in grand scheme of things.
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Re: All trees should have boughs

Postby MooCow » Sun May 19, 2019 6:28 pm

dageir wrote:In a scientific sense you are right. I am not a native English speaker so I do not know if it is common to say spruce leaves.
Anyone know?

If you said "spruce leaves", people would know what you are talking about. If you said "maple needles", people would be pretty confused.

It isn't at all common to say spruce leaves. The only exception is if you were talking about the leaves of a maple in contrast to the needles spruce, you would probably just call them all leaves like Lunarius did.

If you looked up needles in the dictionary, it would probably have zero references to trees, and leaves.
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Re: All trees should have boughs

Postby MagicManICT » Sun May 19, 2019 7:14 pm

vatas wrote:Depending on the craft, boughs represent both branches with significant amount of leaves or needles on it and just longer/thicker branches in general. Latter could be reasonably extracted in almost any tree[...].

Not really. A lot of trees have branches that fork quite frequently relative to other species, and the only straight pieces of wood you're going to get are going to need a saw to cut off large limbs. Oak comes to mind; maple is another. I'm sure we could go down the list of trees and check on what, exactly would fit to be a "bough." Some might not be useful for some crafting purposes, some might not be useful as a thatching material. Several aren't going to be useful at all.
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