Realms Are Glorified Villages With Buffs

[Kaios]

palisading cairns its stupid.

it is not. last world i allowed it to be build inside my base so i can defend buffs i want to have. im sure there is some people like me right now in this world and if you magically will bypass pali, it might lead to other issues. it must be addressed smart instead of "stupid"

I agree with that completely, I don't understand why they made this change regarding cairns either. You can still claim them with village claim so it is a situation similar to local resources meaning if someone wants to they will build the village to ensure security and of course this will mostly be the larger factions that are able to maintain the authority of multiple villages. There was a great benefit in speaking to a village or hermit before you claim over them to see if they would be willing to allow you to place a cairn inside their base, not only does this ensure greater protection of your realm but it involves the subjects of the realms on a personal level and helps in getting to know your territory.

[Granger]

But yeah, realms are stupid as fuck. There's no actual interaction mechanics. Only way to overthrow a realm that's claimed over you is allying with another realm or making your own. There's nothing interesting about them.

How do we make them better?

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[Ants]

palisading cairns its stupid.

it is not. last world i allowed it to be build inside my base so i can defend buffs i want to have. im sure there is some people like me right now in this world and if you magically will bypass pali, it might lead to other issues. it must be addressed smart instead of "stupid"

You can still do that, AFAIK. You just can't put it on your pclaim.

palisading cairns its stupid.

it is not. last world i allowed it to be build inside my base so i can defend buffs i want to have. im sure there is some people like me right now in this world and if you magically will bypass pali, it might lead to other issues. it must be addressed smart instead of "stupid"

I agree with that completely, I don't understand why they made this change regarding cairns either. You can still claim them with village claim so it is a situation similar to local resources meaning if someone wants to they will build the village to ensure security and of course this will mostly be the larger factions that are able to maintain the authority of multiple villages. There was a great benefit in speaking to a village or hermit before you claim over them to see if they would be willing to allow you to place a cairn inside their base, not only does this ensure greater protection of your realm but it involves the subjects of the realms on a personal level and helps in getting to know your territory.

As far as I know large factions don't bother covering their cairns with vclaims because if they get a challenge, they're willing to fight back. Where have you seen realms spamming vclaims?

Yggdrasil were the only ones I'm aware of who relied almost entirely on palisades, claims and naked alts to keep their realm.

I mean, there's been tons of fighting around cairns, but the system as a whole is insanely broken so it's only done with alts and delay spamming, because jorb has no idea how to balance things.

Do you?

by forcing interaction through actual fighters not alts that can be easily spammed. also it should force you to stay near the cairns once pushed off the grid the cairns is on the timer gets reset. there should also be a work around for palisading cairns its stupid. also why the hell can they replace a whole kingdom once the coronation stone gets destroyed? imagine your capital city falling king dying and they build the kingdom back up with ease doesnt make sense.

Is palisading cairns still a thing now that unclaimed palis can be handbashed and you can't claim over cairns?

As for stopping alts, I'm not sure how that can be done. Naked alts seem less important in cairn work than they used to be, now it's all about suicidal rage alts. I guess people would be less inclined to use suicide alts if they felt they could compete with warriors who have been grinding since world start. How about we cap combat stats already?

[Kaios]

Something else that I started considering because I think it was brought up recently in another thread are the Civilization levels. The Coronation Stone or other authority objects could resonate an aura similar to how Civilization levels were tracked except for something buff related instead.

For context, the imaged used to illustrate this effect can be found here: http://www.havenandhearth.com/portal/res/map-danger.png

An example of this might be constructing a "Wonder" (yes like in Civilization the game) and the buff or in the case of constructing something nefarious around your enemies, the debuff, could resonate an aura much like the way it is depicted in the image and reducing in effect the further away from the structure.

As far as I know large factions don't bother covering their cairns with vclaims because if they get a challenge, they're willing to fight back. Where have you seen realms spamming vclaims?

where have you seen any fights over borders taking place elsewhere on the map? don't ruin my thread with biased nonsense plz

[Ants]

As far as I know large factions don't bother covering their cairns with vclaims because if they get a challenge, they're willing to fight back. Where have you seen realms spamming vclaims?

where have you seen any fights over borders taking place elsewhere on the map? don't ruin my thread with biased nonsense plz

I haven't taken part in cairn work on other parts of the map, so I'm unaware of fights that have or haven't taken place. I have, however, sailed around the map and I have yet to see tons of vclaimed cairns. Did I miss something?

[wonder-ass]

where have you seen any fights over borders taking place elsewhere on the map? don't ruin my thread with biased nonsense plz

it goes like this send shitty rage alt to bash cairn> spot fighter? yes> go gank him >no> continue bashing cairns with shitty rage alt.

motherland went as far as having a autistic palisade set up with who knows how many shitty rage alts inside.
tldr nobody fought over borders its just ganks.

[Ants]

where have you seen any fights over borders taking place elsewhere on the map? don't ruin my thread with biased nonsense plz

it goes like this send shitty rage alt to bash cairn> spot fighter? yes> go gank him >no> continue bashing cairns with shitty rage alt.

motherland went as far as having a autistic palisade set up with who knows how many shitty rage alts inside.
tldr nobody fought over borders its just ganks.

Why not also build a palisade full of rage alts? You could've hidden real warriors in there and ganked motherland's gankers, no?

Do you think killing alts would feel more satisfying if getting 50 int was a requirement to learn rage? That way you'd get a developed skull out of every kill at least.

[jorb]

where have you seen any fights over borders taking place elsewhere on the map? don't ruin my thread with biased nonsense plz

it goes like this send shitty rage alt to bash cairn> spot fighter? yes> go gank him >no> continue bashing cairns with shitty rage alt.

motherland went as far as having a autistic palisade set up with who knows how many shitty rage alts inside.
tldr nobody fought over borders its just ganks.

So how do we change that? What should it be, and how do we incentivize that?

[Kaios]

Bit late for it now but a good start would have been making it more difficult to not only expand a claim across the ocean but to slow down the overall process and ability to expand altogether with such ease making the territory someone has worked to cover all the more valuable. To put it another way, raising the value of border cairns and seamarks increases the necessity to protect them. As it currently stands there is very little incentive to actually care about most of where a realm has expanded. This can be done in several ways however and I don’t simply mean to increase the cost of those objects when I say increase their value.

Second, the entire reason for most players using alts and palisades in the first place to manage border cairn extension, scouting and challenges are because the only players interested in trying to create fights around them solely for the purpose of “fun” are always going to be in greater numbers or with greater stats making it near impossible to compete on a level playing field so you have to utilize alternative measures. The fact is, I’m never going to be interested in fighting a nerd like Sacraer because I don’t have the time nor the inclination to risk my only character with perhaps a third of the stats of the players complaining about the lack of fights. There are never going to be any meaningful fights as long as you have such a huge stat gap between players like this and zero skill gap.

[borka]

Instead they have no reason to help or do anything to aid a realm

I even moved my Hf, my chair and my bed to the small spot where the realm covers my place ... so that my little earning helps the king and inhabitants ...

... hanging boars into Irminsul sadly didn't work ...