Should C&I be archived

[Mashadar]

It doesn't matter at this point.

Any way to argue for it without waiting for a moderator to pull the conversation back into the rest of the forum?

I don't think old topics should be moved from the archive. If someone thinks an old idea is still relevant, they should make a new thread as if they were posting it for the first time. Linking to an old post from the archive makes sense in cases where devs already rejected an idea.

What if it was left "as is?" Yes, many will still continue to "not search" the archives and old posts. Old posts will still be handing back there on page 245 being ignored by the devs and everyone else. Are they hurting anything, though?

Yes, I think those posts are potentially hurting. There was a dev stream where jorb was going through C&I posts and he started from where he last left off. Those were threads from years back, which means there are still thousands he didn't look at yet. With a backlog this big, I'd get anxiety just from the idea of looking at C&I. With a clean slate, this would suddenly be a lot less scary.

To be fair, I think they're spending all the free time they have right now to get a patch a week out. We should be glad they're doing that rather than what a lot of other devs do when their lives change: calling it "done" and never coming back.

Yeah, I can't really blame them. Clearing C&I is just supposed to be a way of making it easier for the devs, to get rid of some mental baggage.

[Zentetsuken]

Should C&I be archived?

Hard no.

We all know exactly what is going to happen if all of these threads become even harder to search through.
Shubla will take it upon himself to remake 100s upon 100s of threads within a short period of a couple months and simply protest that he has no idea what threads were made in the past.
He ofcourse will not be moderated for this behaviour, even if a brand new "don't ask these questions" thread is made - it will be just as ignored as the current one.

All it will accomplish is giving even greater reason for people to remake threads that already existed, we all know that the only way something like this could be implemented is if the moderation here increases in quality, and I think it's safe to say that this is so far out of the realm of possibility it's not even worth considering for a second.


Should C&I be removed entirely?

Yes.


Should C&I be left as an unmoderated free-for-all zone where we can concede to the reality that our ideas will ever actually be read or implemented by the devs, and use this space as more of a place for the community to butt heads and argue?

also maybe yes.

[DDDsDD999]

I propose the exact opposite. C&I should stay, but any posts made are instantly deleted. It lets everyone know that this forum is merely for complaining, and the devs will never see any of it.

[Reyajh]

If C&I were to be archived I think the forum needs improvements. For example, when you write the title of your post it should start searching for that in the background. When you attempt to submit the post that should be like hitting enter on a search and it brings up anything relevant that it found. From there, you should be asked a few questions perhaps as to whether or not you have added anything distinguishing from this post or that, based on similarities, etc., that it found. Perhaps, under some circumstances a moderator would be required before the new thread would be allowed to post public.

Also, more threads like 10 things not to post about should be created. One for each of several categories, like QoL Improvement requests, etc... So, if we went thru the old threads we could categorize them into x number of different types and have a pinned post for each (Edit: each type.).

I personally like C&I a lot and think it's healthy for the community but if the dev's need help sifting thru it then perhaps the community/moderators could help.

[ricky]

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[ricky]

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[VDZ]

More important than the ideas themselves are the arguments for and against the ideas. What problems does the idea solve, and what negative consequences would the idea have? I don't think the devs have a shortage of ideas that sound nice on paper, but thought-out ideas that after reasonable consideration seem to be good improvements are harder to come by. Spreading those arguments across the many threads that will no doubt be made about the same idea will make the pros and cons much harder to evaluate.

The only decent argument in favor that gets brought up for this is that it would reduce dev workload in evaluating C&I posts. But is that really true? As people have repeatedly stated, this will lead to an increase in reposted ideas. That is: More text for the exact same amount of information. Wouldn't that increase the workload rather than decrease it?

[Teleskop]

There's a lot going on in here, perhaps it's time to restart? Obvs there's some stuff in here that posters won't want archived/hidden, so maybe if they want their suggestion moved into the new C&I they could pm a mod.

What to do with posts from people who are no longer with us?
Granger? Onep?
All down the drain?

are they dead ???????

[VDZ]

What to do with posts from people who are no longer with us?
Granger? Onep?
All down the drain?

are they dead ???????

(Discussion continued in another thread at the Inn.)

[ricky]

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