More open development

[MagicManICT]

Both discord and reddit also have next to no search functionality, which is quite important to keep track of previous discussions about things etc.

They're both better than this forum software. However, unlike Discord, you can search this forum and reddit via Google or other major search engine. Unlike Discord, this forum is easier to point to a whole conversation, and not just a specific post. (This is why I try to play librarian, but I'm a terrible librarian.)

In forums, high quality discussion with well carefully thought messages can happen.

These happen anywhere. I can probably pull out pastebins of old IRC chats I've been a part of regarding a few discussions on EQ, MTG, SC1, etc. I can probably find some of my old usenet postings, too. If it's important, and the participants want to make sure others have record of the conversation, it gets recorded into some format that can be distributed and discussed further... even back in the day when the best way to do it was via personal messengers. The forum or blog format is definitely a better solution. Discord, so far, is little more than a persistent IRC channel with slightly better "crowd control" and built in voice (that isn't anywhere as good as the paid voice services).

Discord discussions are short lived and inconclusive.

More pointedly is that it's hard to categorize specific question and answer sessions such as for Tech Support, gameplay help, etc. With a forum, you can point at a specific post and get the whole thread with all the replies and discussion that went into creating a solution. With Discord, you can copy-paste or quote a previous statement, but you lose any related discussion without further digging... and in a very active server, you can easily lose that conversation in the sea of replies and chat about other discussions that fit into that category.

Use the proper tools for the job, and the job becomes easier. Sure, you can use your chisel as a screwdriver, but then you ruin your chisel along the way... also, don't be a hammer. When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Instead, be the carpenter who uses his/her tools for the correct job and builds practical and beautiful things.

Just to note: I miss the weekly blogs from Wube (Factorio). Bay 12 are great about it, too (Dwarf Fortress). Others aren't so much about the blogging, but they make interesting, fun games. You just have to accept who is willing to do it, and who isn't. Not everyone can be that personality that carries on such conversations.

[shubla]

Discord, so far, is little more than a persistent IRC channel with slightly better "crowd control" and built in voice (that isn't anywhere as good as the paid voice services).

I think one major advantage of irc is the fact that it works on many devices, which discord doesn't. Discord requires osage of CLOSED-SOURCE PROPRIETARY SOFTWARE.
Another major advantage with irc is that you can easily get logs of all discussions, and search them with grep. Which is the ultimate search tool in my opinion. Discord search is terribly slow and limited.

Discord is not meant to be used for other than spamming memes etc. If you try to scroll back it starts to lag and load the messages slowly.

Discord has its uses as a platform for those with short attention spans or need to have meaningless discussions. But it in no way replaces forum(nor the other way around) as they do different things.
Same with reddit.

..And there is little reason why devs should move to some externally hosted site anyway which may be closed at any time without any notice, resulting in loss of valuable feedback, ideas, discussion etc.

Blog posts indeed are nice. Some small announcement messages in some discord server are not fulfilling enough, and often just made by some PR professionals not to answer any questions or anything but to keep the braindead average community user somewhat satisfied.

[Zentetsuken]

which makes finding topics actually way fucking easier than searching on this forum tbh.

Have you even looked at the search functionalities of the forum? There are way more ways to filter search results than with reddit.
Search features of discord are so bad that there is no need to have further discussion about them.

Even if you had category in discord for each subforum, there still wouldn't be topics. So simultaneous discussion of stuff would be rather difficult.
With discord there are also 0 possibilities for people from different time zones to discuss, because the messages get immediately buried, especially in large servers. Maybe you could tag each message according to the topic of the thing being discussed. or wait, wouldn't it be just easier to use forum in that case? yeah.

I am part in a few large probably "well maintained" discord servers, but they all have the problems that I have mentioned earlier.

Discord discussions are short lived and inconclusive. In forums, high quality discussion with well carefully thought messages can happen.

If the current HnH discord server would be more rigorously moderated, there would be no discussion because most people who post in there would be banned.

searching this forum is absolute cancer. the search functionality is based on like 30 year old coding, you can't search for small words or use modern booleans, and you still have to sift through 10 years worth of topics to find shit

reddit's built in search functionality is objectively better and you can use google to search through reddit with great results as well

as far as topics go, we don't need topics, you alone have probably reposted the same topic in C&I that already existed EASILY 500 times, having to state your topic to attempt to start a conversation is stupid because people are going to discuss the same thing over and over again anyways, and most topics get derailed in to banter and other related ideas anyways

if this forum had even one tenth of the active population of the discord all of your shitter topics would be buried by the end of the day just the same as they would be in any other real community

not a single person in this entire community, including the devs puts enough thought or quality in to their posts to deserve to have them artificially stagnate at the top of a list for any amount of time

also, the devs do not use this forum anymore, there is no need to have static, individual topics named and filed in an endless 10 year pile of threads. Nobody is searching for old ideas, nobody important is reading the new ones, this place is an echo chamber

I've seen incredibly productive and thoughtful discussion filled with ideas on discord 100s of times, discussions that actually even included the devs

that hasn't happened here in years

[shubla]

the search functionality is based on like 30 year old coding, you can't search for small words or use modern booleans,

Small words are pity, but could be easily fixed by devs removing the limitation, as they probably have enough disk space to index even small words now?

use modern booleans

I'm not sure what you mean by modern booleans. But if you mean excluding words from search, it is possible in forums with "-" prefix, and and or keywords also work.

have to sift through 10 years worth of topics

But isn't that the good point? History is not lost, like it easily is in discord. In discord it shows you many results but if you want to see next page you have to scroll down, press next, wait for it to load... Slow. Forum search is much faster.

reddit's built in search functionality is objectively better and you can use google to search through reddit with great results as well

Google works for these forums as well, and I can't remember a case where I would not have found what I was looking from with search function of this forum.

as far as topics go, we don't need topics

Yes we need, read some chatlog from the discord to see what happens without them. Even more derailment etc.

if this forum had even one tenth of the active population of the discord all of your shitter topics would be buried by the end of the day just the same as they would be in any other real community

Large forums work better than large discord servers.
Because it's easy to find topics, if there are more users in discord server, there will be linearly more chatlog to crawl through if you want to read discussions that happened during the last few days.
But with forums, even if there are a few duplicate threads, people surely will find popular topics and concentrate discussion about specific things in these topics, so it won't blow up so badly.

also, the devs do not use this forum anymore, there is no need to have static, individual topics named and filed in an endless 10 year pile of threads. Nobody is searching for old ideas, nobody important is reading the new ones,

Both devs have last logged in the forums today. They actively search, reply and make topics about things, and get replies to them from users. So forums are working great.

I would like to point out the fact that devs likely do not actively read discord conversations nor search them nor does anyone else. Yeah some people may send some messages in the discord sometimes for the laughs but no one reads more than 5 previous messages. ever.

this place is an echo chamber

You just described what any discord server is.

I've seen incredibly productive and thoughtful discussion filled with ideas on discord 100s of times, discussions that actually even included the devs

I would like to see an example. I think often when devs discuss in the discord it will just end with people shouting all kinds of stupid shit and devs quickly getting bored and stopping the discussion altogether.

Yeah maybe sometimes that kind of discussions can be useful, but most often not, and they'll never replace forums.

[Zentetsuken]

maybe it's a better idea to hear the opinion of somebody who hasn't invested 1000s of irl hours in to being one of the top 5 highest post count makers on the entire forum

I get that you like them but you argue with obvious bias

the forums are bad, the forums are dead

[boshaw]

I like the forums and I like that you can see the history. It's sad that after old haven you see a clear downfall of the forums as people moved to other platforms and stopped posting as the new worlds went on.

[Massa]

this whole thread is cringe but let's get back to the topic

jorb toilet bowl camera

we pay, we say, and he's not doing enough to earn OUR money, and needs stricter monitoring

[Agrik]

I think dumping this stagnant old shitty forum would be a move in a positive, more open and productive direction.

I wonder how one can so easily equal destruction and productive direction... looks like dystopian Newspeak becomes a reality.

If you think the very existence of the forum obstructs you from productiveness, please note that the world isn't your personal playground and other people do not exist only to please you and to fit your personal idea of "productivity". They create their own things with their own efforts.

And you're free to create on your own, on a free place, aren't you? It looks unhealthy to wish first to destroy others' creations...

A subreddit or an official discord

Besides that forums and Discord/Reddit are different tools for different kinds of talks,

a serious downside of Reddit and Discord is that they're separate projects and enforce their own policy on everybody who use their services. They decide what to allow, what to punish, how much truth to put in reasoning for this, and whether to give reasons at all. And more important, they can change it at wish, as long as doing so won't harm them too much. So even if their policy looks acceptable now, it may become not so any moment, and then you're facing a problem of saving the content you accumulated there.

Ah, and they may go bankrupt or just decide to close their project so you simply lose everything hosted there. Is H&H intended to live surely less than Discord? I don't see why it should.

While it may be fine to use Discord or Reddit as additional ways to communicate, it's basically irresponsible for any decent project to move the main platform there.

[MightySheep]

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[KingfishCid]

the forums are bad, the forums are dead

Reddit has been trash for quite some time & as a basic bitch platform failed at imitating what one of original founders, which they have tried scrubbing away, intended to make it. A basic bitch image board would work better than being on some site where Jorb & loftar have no control if the main service provider decides to nuke their sub reddit because someone called little Timmy a nig nog cotton picker & we can't have that; yet even then what is currently provided is good enough for searching, archiving, and using. Accept reality: reddit is trash. Renting a server & hosting your own forum is far superior & requires a lot more bitching to a service provider to remove it compared to what you are offering. cough cough cloudflare being pansies cough cough

Discord is just spyware where each person is the product being data mined. It has arguably worse search functions, absolute shite for looking up old archived threads, but is good for on the go talk/updates/arguing about new birb hats(tm). If you want to be updated oh-so-quickly then make a bot to monitor for new update threads via a RSS feed that posts the first comment onto a discord updates channel. Just saved you a life time of misery if you hate coming here so much

this whole thread is cringe but let's get back to the topic

jorb toilet bowl camera

we pay, we say, and he's not doing enough to earn OUR money, and needs stricter monitoring

They hated Massa because he told the truth! Jorb & Loftar onlyfans when? Given how many people still play this game I'm sure there are plenty of pay pigs willing to simp for more of Jorb's phallic drawings. Not sure what Loftar could offer though. Phallic poems in binary? At least we can look forward to daily silent cooking streams.