either make the claim instant or let us repair it

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Re: either make the claim instant or let us repair it

Postby meus » Sun Apr 04, 2021 4:55 am

Claims provide this false sense of security in their own magical ways. Instead, they should require people to actually guard their stuff, i.e. leaving the claim area should disable it.

*Personal* claims should be no larger than a house with a few containers. Pop your house and stay inside to "defend" it.

For anything else there's the Village. Shared claims should not exist so that you don't just spam them.

Makes more sense both technically and practically.
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Re: either make the claim instant or let us repair it

Postby Apocoreo » Mon Apr 05, 2021 2:39 am

loftar wrote:One tip, at least, is to simply push them.


For 8 hours, lol. Meabwile they'll hit and run, damaging the claim over time.

I surrounded my claim stake in alts.

+1, make the repair time random, only the one with the bond can check it. after repair, 8 hour timer restarts. Still punishing.
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Re: either make the claim instant or let us repair it

Postby Liss12 » Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:53 am

Tamalak wrote:Mechanics make sense as is. If someone nearby is objecting to your claim to a land it shouldn't be your land unless you can claim it by force.

Flawed logic, its still a game and people playing it have lifes to live. Anyone can bash you claim while you are offline no matter how badass mofo you might be.
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Re: either make the claim instant or let us repair it

Postby Procne » Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:36 pm

Or... in the 8 hours drying window the pclaim should be destructible not by force, but by spending some amount of LP, plus twice (or more) the cost of the claimed tiles. If someone doesn't want this pclaim here strong enough then he will shell out LPs. If someone wants a pclaim hard enough he will spend extra LPs to extend it. Or plop several pclaims (but that will cost him extra LP too)
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Re: either make the claim instant or let us repair it

Postby Sevenless » Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:17 pm

Procne wrote:Or... in the 8 hours drying window the pclaim should be destructible not by force, but by spending some amount of LP, plus twice (or more) the cost of the claimed tiles. If someone doesn't want this pclaim here strong enough then he will shell out LPs. If someone wants a pclaim hard enough he will spend extra LPs to extend it. Or plop several pclaims (but that will cost him extra LP too)


So I drop a 100k LP claim to piss off my neighbour who probably won't have enough LP to declaim before the timer hits.
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Re: either make the claim instant or let us repair it

Postby Procne » Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:25 pm

Sevenless wrote:
Procne wrote:Or... in the 8 hours drying window the pclaim should be destructible not by force, but by spending some amount of LP, plus twice (or more) the cost of the claimed tiles. If someone doesn't want this pclaim here strong enough then he will shell out LPs. If someone wants a pclaim hard enough he will spend extra LPs to extend it. Or plop several pclaims (but that will cost him extra LP too)


So I drop a 100k LP claim to piss off my neighbour who probably won't have enough LP to declaim before the timer hits.

Which you can already do.
If you can spend 100k LP to piss off someone then most likely you would be even willing to build some leantos and alts too to see it through.

Also, at that level of LPs your neighbour probably has a village idol already and can use it to remove your pclaim. Or has this feature been removed?
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Re: either make the claim instant or let us repair it

Postby Sevenless » Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:27 pm

This mechanic is not meant for the stage of the world where vandalism or murder scents are a deterrent.
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Re: either make the claim instant or let us repair it

Postby Procne » Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:32 pm

Sevenless wrote:This mechanic is not meant for the stage of the world where vandalism or murder scents are a deterrent.

Not sure what you mean by that. Is the current stage when "vandalism or murder scents are a deterrent"? Because it doesn't seem like it with rage alts running around knocking down defenseless noobs.
The 100k LP to troll a neighbour also isn't the current stage of the world
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Re: either make the claim instant or let us repair it

Postby Sevenless » Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:15 pm

Right, my point is that this mechanic being annoying at this stage of the world is the cost. The benefit is the other 95% of the world not being absolutely filled with claim griefing.

It really sucked in past world, like REALLY sucked. Imagine racing to expand claims before 3x3 claims get dropped beside you because your neighbours are mildly inconvenienced and claims are basically free.
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Re: either make the claim instant or let us repair it

Postby Zampfeo » Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:23 pm

Make vandalism a requirement to bash a pclaim no matter whether it's dry or not. That way, it's less of a headache early game, but inconsequential later on. People will block it with lean-tos anyhow which does effectively the same thing.


meus wrote:Claims provide this false sense of security in their own magical ways. Instead, they should require people to actually guard their stuff, i.e. leaving the claim area should disable it.

*Personal* claims should be no larger than a house with a few containers. Pop your house and stay inside to "defend" it.

For anything else there's the Village. Shared claims should not exist so that you don't just spam them.

Makes more sense both technically and practically.



Claims exist because of the scents system. Their purpose isn't to force people into buying crime skills. They're there to generate scents so criminals can be tracked down later. The crime skills exist for a separate reason; to force LP investment so alts cannot be abused (you try defending against 100 naked people walking off with your things) and so that early world is less of a cluster fuck than it already is.
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