Once again, please reconsider Mystic "Experience" quests.

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Re: Once again, please reconsider Mystic "Experience" quests

Postby Pills » Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:31 am

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"Mystic should be hard" is not a valid justification for bad design that is literally hated by the majority of the player base.


Mystic SHOULDN'T be equally as hard as it is right now.


I think these two statements are somewhat contradictory. Feels like your actual agenda is to just make mystic easier, not to make it better designed.


I disagree,

"Mystic should be hard" as a knee jerk response to every single world one of the biggest complaints about credos being THIS specific quest type is not a valid justification.

I do not disagree that mystic should be *somewhat hard*, but mystics current difficulty is purely based on how absolutely dogshit this specific quest type is for engageability, actual REAL difficulty and its measurability for completion.

Any quest that 80%+ of the player base see as an "instant abandon" should probably say enough that its just a shit design and either needs massively reworking or removing.

THIS SPECIFIC QUEST TYPE has historically been known to be one of the sole reasons people have completely quit a world. That should speak fucking volumes about how absolutely dogshit bad the existence of this quest type is for the longevity of the game.
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Re: Once again, please reconsider Mystic "Experience" quests

Postby jordancoles » Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:38 am

Mystic is the worst credo to grind out aside from pearl diver but at least that isn't a requirement
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Re: Once again, please reconsider Mystic "Experience" quests

Postby Southpaw » Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:30 pm

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yippee cant wait for this to fucking ruin me later
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Re: Once again, please reconsider Mystic "Experience" quests

Postby Pills » Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:59 pm

Southpaw wrote:Image

yippee cant wait for this to fucking ruin me later


Gaurantee one of your following quests is going to be "Experience 'Crashing through the woods'"
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Re: Once again, please reconsider Mystic "Experience" quests

Postby Pills » Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:14 pm

yay! More shit quests to abandon and i'm back down to 1/5 4/4. And the dev's wonder why literally everybody on the fucking planet hates mystic.

Seriously, fix this fucking thing before it makes people quit the world early like it does every single other world.


Edit 1: Wow next quest, experience a talking tree, i'm SO FUCKING GLAD I GOT THAT EVENT A COUPLE OF HOURS AGO.

Edit 2: Oh even better, abandoned, and got the same fuckign quest!

Edit 3: 7 fucking times I have been set back to 1/5 4/4 now because of this absolutly garbage quest pool.

Edit 4: Study a horrible knot x2. Not even a hard quest, the hardest part is just waiting 28 hours or using contemplation. The worst part is that I know as soon as this completes i'll get another dogshit quest that I have to abandon and just lose 28 hours of progress. Honestly, mystic has absolutely destroyed all motivation I had to play this world and i'm pretty much ready to just fuck it off. Can't even argue that "you don't need to do mystic" because it literally blocks 2 other credos.
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Re: Once again, please reconsider Mystic "Experience" quests

Postby Dashu » Tue Apr 13, 2021 11:49 pm

I love doing credos since they appeared in the game. But the Mystic is something what gets me down and i always have to prepare myself mentally before i even start it.

What annoys me its that when i get a quest, for example "get crazy high on opium" and abandon it (since i can't even try to do it, it's only 3rd credo on my way to cave hermit), i getting THE EXACT SAME QUEST. I just dropped it because i'm not able to do it - why there's even a possibility of getting the same quests one by one? When i was already at 3/5 4/4, i had to drop like 8-10 quests in a row... and it happens so often i started to feel this credo has actually more than 100 quests, because every time i make some progress i have to drop it almost to the start. This also makes me lose my progress and time spent on studying horribly time-consuming curios for quests.

Experience quests are also - and maybe the main - problem of this credo. You never know if you have to wait a day or a month before you get the experience you need for quest. It's complete lottery. Some of them feels like impossible to get, some of them you get just before the quest and what then? It places me in a dead point, as i don't know if i should abandon quest or try countless times to get it somehow. Experience quests are horrible and it feels like they exists only for abandoning them and taking my progress down. It really makes me bored and mad at the game itself.

It will be nice if something about this credo change for better. It's not like we want it easy - we want it not THIS hard.
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Re: Once again, please reconsider Mystic "Experience" quests

Postby Tamalak » Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:39 am

Mystic is fine, quit crying.

If you get an experience quest try to do the experience.
If that doesn't work do a bunch of other experiences to see if it unlocks
If it doesn't, probably abandon it unless you want to delay it a couple days

I got mystic no issues for the past 2 worlds.. looking forward to doing it again.
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Re: Once again, please reconsider Mystic "Experience" quests

Postby Pills » Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:44 am

Tamalak wrote:Mystic is fine, quit crying.

If you get an experience quest try to do the experience.
If that doesn't work do a bunch of other experiences to see if it unlocks
If it doesn't, probably abandon it unless you want to delay it a couple days

I got mystic no issues for the past 2 worlds.. looking forward to doing it again.


No offence but you think gardening & symbol should be removed from the game so you clearly have masochism issues. Mystic is the worst credo to grind in the entire game and has been known to make people quit. Just because you clearly got bullshit lucky on rng to actually complete it with "no issues", either that or you actually just enjoy being punched in the dick repeatedly, does not mean the vast majority of players who have issues are suddenly invalidated.
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Re: Once again, please reconsider Mystic "Experience" quests

Postby Burinn » Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:29 am

I think the Mystic credo is very good.
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Re: Once again, please reconsider Mystic "Experience" quests

Postby Pills » Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:56 am

Experience "Conservant Boulder"


Don't have a single boulder in any of my quest lines. gg.

Fuck mystic man.
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