Nidbane's Waiting Until You Log On.

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Re: Nidbane's Waiting Until You Log On.

Postby Willberfollower » Sun Dec 26, 2021 5:02 am

MagicManICT wrote:They were added as a means of replacing force summoning characters for certain crimes.

Look at it this way: if you want to make steel, you have to log in regularly to make sure you keep it fueled. If you're raising livestock, you have to log in regularly to make sure the animals stay fed. If you want to commit a crime that can end in a Nidbane being summoned, you have to log in on a regular basis to make sure you aren't going to have to fight a Nidbane. Or use an alt you can sacrifice.


I see what your saying but they don't need to replace force summoning characters cause you stay logged on. Fair point about how other things require you to log on daily but the consequences of not logging on, for those things are far less then your character straight up dying. Also you usually initiate those so you know when you need to log on. Where as you need to log on for 9 straight days.

shubla wrote:Don't assume that you can just make crimes with no consequences.


Crimes should be enforced by in game players not AI sent by lazy people.

Nightdawg wrote:The only consequence you get is if you don't log on.
You can literally cheese nidbanes.


Which is my point its unnecessary to force people to log on for 9 days straight. Things happen, one day you might not be able to log on, and boom your characters dead to a AI. Fun mechanic.

If you die to another player while offline, that's actually cool. They put in effort and sieged your base to deliver justice.

Its just so over kill to have a AI kill you, cause a real life event stopped you from logging on.
Its very unnecessary if you ask me.
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Re: Nidbane's Waiting Until You Log On.

Postby shubla » Sun Dec 26, 2021 5:22 am

Willberfollower wrote:
shubla wrote:Don't assume that you can just make crimes with no consequences.


Crimes should be enforced by in game players not AI sent by lazy people..

Nidbanes are sent by in game players.
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Re: Nidbane's Waiting Until You Log On.

Postby MagicManICT » Sun Dec 26, 2021 8:18 pm

@telum, @Willberfollower: You both make good points, and I agree--nothing indicates you should log in regularly to make sure you're not being chased by a Nidbane. The entirety of the game is undocumented and is a work in discovery or you rely on what other players have created documentation for on the RoB wiki. Last I looked, it was documented there, but sometimes people edit things out with purpose to obfuscate mechanics.
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Re: Nidbane's Waiting Until You Log On.

Postby telum12 » Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:23 am

MagicManICT wrote:@telum, @Willberfollower: You both make good points, and I agree--nothing indicates you should log in regularly to make sure you're not being chased by a Nidbane. The entirety of the game is undocumented and is a work in discovery or you rely on what other players have created documentation for on the RoB wiki. Last I looked, it was documented there, but sometimes people edit things out with purpose to obfuscate mechanics.


Tbh it just seems like really high-stake non-obvious/intuitive mechanics.

If you're outlaw at least you get a message when you try to log out / a buff.

Your scents are visible to yourself which indicate they exist.

etc.

There is no hint that nidbanes exist. And if you know about nidbanes, there's nothing indicating that you need to log in every 24 hours.

Idk, this rly doesn't bother me personally since I log in, it just feels so potentially punishing for no good reason. The only time you wouldn't log in is:
- You're too busy in real life
- You don't know about this mechanic

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Re: Nidbane's Waiting Until You Log On.

Postby DDDsDD999 » Mon Dec 27, 2021 6:57 am

Hmm, is it possible nidbanes were always...bad???
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Re: Nidbane's Waiting Until You Log On.

Postby Willberfollower » Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:07 am

DDDsDD999 wrote:Hmm, is it possible nidbanes were always...bad???


Yes but they've been in the game so long now I doubt we can partition for their removal. At least this would fix the main problem I have with them which is the fact they can kill you and you can't do anything about it unless you long on everyday after committing a crime (in the name of justice).
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Re: Nidbane's Waiting Until You Log On.

Postby AntiBlitz » Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:17 pm

if you are aware that you can die from nidbanes by committing crimes, and then dont log back on, youve only played yourself. I dont see the issue here. Nidbanes need work, but its not related to your complaint.
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Re: Nidbane's Waiting Until You Log On.

Postby Willberfollower » Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:04 am

AntiBlitz wrote:if you are aware that you can die from nidbanes by committing crimes, and then dont log back on, you've only played yourself. I dont see the issue here. Nidbanes need work, but its not related to your complaint.


Its a feature that doesn't improve gameplay in the slightest that's the issue. You seem to think everyone has this infinite void of time. I go places a lot of my weekends and can't log on. its completely unnecessary to have them kill you after 24 hours. Also new players won't be aware.
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Re: Nidbane's Waiting Until You Log On.

Postby meus » Tue Dec 28, 2021 8:21 am

Willberfollower wrote:its completely unnecessary to have them kill you after 24 hours.


One may argue that leaving scents is also completely unnecessary.

Or that your walls should be indestructible while you're offline.
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Re: Nidbane's Waiting Until You Log On.

Postby WowGain » Tue Dec 28, 2021 3:24 pm

meus wrote:One may argue that leaving scents is also completely unnecessary.

Or that your walls should be indestructible while you're offline.


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