Make PVP opt-in only

[Zentetsuken]

I mean just make the game singleplayer private servers at this point. My thought process behind pvp has always been u can grief ALOT harder with out pvp than with pvp.

Maybe I am wrong but I feel like the idea of trolling and griefing was WAY more prominent in legacy. Back when PVP was maybe a bit more taboo because even the most competent titan could be sieged and summoned when he finally decided to sleep.

I remember, as a new player, having the ability to fuck with people in this sort of trolly way was a genuine tool in my arsenal. I had it done to me and I did it to others and nobody was complaining, the devs were not moderating it.

I woke up to sieges that included literally 2000 signs posts, dozens of alts and outrageous abuse of silly mechanics, but this was 100% normal.

Nobody has ever once been concerned about griefing until the idea of opt-in PVP was brought to the table.

Bringing it up as a rebuttal to PVP is dishonest.

The "why not just private server" argument is also dishonest.

The idea of massive online multiplayer games with optional PVP is more common than open world PVP. People still like to play together with strangers and friends in MMOs.

It seems like nobody can really give a truly honest and meaningful argument against it.

[Vraatjuh]

Counter alt abuse or whatever by making pvp opt-in pop when turning on criminal acts (which you would require when entering someones claim without permission) with a cooldown of XX minutes.
Would also act some extra depth to entering abandoned villages etc. because you would automatically be opt-in for PVP.

I like any idea that keeps 'nabs' safe when randomly wandering around in the wilderness. I don't mind getting sieged as it still takes a lot of time and effort from the attacker (and some way to counter it). But random PVP encounters in the wild that kill you are just no fun.

Edit: in case PVP of opt-in I would like to see some bonus in some way for people who are opted-in though. Taking the risk should also give some advantage/bonus.

[telum12]

Tldr people presented with a way to deal with griefing don’t want to bother so they complain there’s no way to deal with griefing

[strpk0]

+1

[WowGain]

weird ass take man, weird ass take

[Zentetsuken]

Tldr people presented with a way to deal with griefing don’t want to bother so they complain there’s no way to deal with griefing

I think you must have misread something somewhere because I explained exactly why there is already no way to deal with griefing.

Nothing about the ability to grief or deal with grief would change with pvp as opt-in.

[AriZona]

... Perhaps this part is debatable but I think bringing up this argument as a rebuttal to removing PVP is fundamentally dishonest.

Few reflections:

* I dare to say that >95% does not care about the PVP and having fights. That is the reality.

* PVPers do not keep this game running and contribute to the player base, because they quit after few months being bored (except one of few trolling newbs).

* The absence of PVP would create massive chain reaction in the overall mechanics, thus it could remain with some changes to it.

My solution would be:

* Active PVP-lovers are usually from factions. Thus, make PVP an automated opt-in for faction/realm members once they get sworn in. The rest are non-PVP.

* Drastically increase penalties for PVPers killing non-PVP players to discourage such events, but keep it allowed.

* Remove penalties for PVPer killing other PVPer.

* Substitute perma-death with the mechanics like 80% stats/skills are regained over time of 1-2 RL weeks.

* Grant p- and v-claims large buffer zones to prevent trolling.

* Increase significantly authority drain from claimed natural resources.

.. and:

* PVE server would have enormous success and would attract many new ppl from outside H&H (devs - think about subscriptions ).

[Sevenless]

I mean just make the game singleplayer private servers at this point. My thought process behind pvp has always been u can grief ALOT harder with out pvp than with pvp.

Oh absolutely.

It also creates stagnation. Wurm is a pretty good example of what happens. New players get scraps, and it takes months to years waiting for an older player to get bored to have any quality space to live. The only way they're able to handle obvious griefing is also by moderation, which has caused a number of scandals over the years. And, as expected, they eventually caved into allowing private servers as a result.

[Zentetsuken]

I mean just make the game singleplayer private servers at this point. My thought process behind pvp has always been u can grief ALOT harder with out pvp than with pvp.

Oh absolutely.

It also creates stagnation. Wurm is a pretty good example of what happens. New players get scraps, and it takes months to years waiting for an older player to get bored to have any quality space to live. The only way they're able to handle obvious griefing is also by moderation, which has caused a number of scandals over the years. And, as expected, they eventually caved into allowing private servers as a result.

We know that moderation is off the table completely, and we know that all matters of griefing have absolutely been possible for the entire duration of the games lifespan so far. The player archetype that specifically seeks to "make the game not fun for others" is a tiny, tiny handful of people. We are only guessing that they would go to the lengths of expending hours and hours creating alts and performing laborious tasks, and learning new methods to achieve this is if their ability to easily murder was taken away.

No part of the claim system or the dichotomy between new and old players and their ability to access world resources would change with pvp switching to opt-in.

[Audiosmurf]

add coward credo that lets you opt out of pvp