Bot Deterrant (real)

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Re: Bot Deterrant (real)

Postby PBR » Tue Oct 22, 2024 12:52 pm

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PBR wrote:Have you considered just not posting? I am getting second hand embarrassment from reading your posts here. Not to mention the fact outside of any issue you whine about here that many people who live in the same house as their spouse, you know, play the game together.

The classic braindead leftist retort.
Isn't it fascinating how you can never muster up a reason as to why the idea is bad but you absolutely can sperg out about it being bad because.... BECAUSE IT JUST HECKIN' IS OKAY???

You talk about second hand embarrassment but that's all I feel when I see another one of your NPC-like ilk respond to me with your braindead takes.
You sound vaxxed and boosted to me.

I bet you don't even politically align with Jorb and Loftar and are thus a post-revolutionary thinker, and thus within the framework of the original meaning of the term, a leftist. May you repent and see the light of God or be smitten down should you continue to serve Babylon...
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surely he’a just trolling, right………..

Postby grumgrumganoe » Tue Oct 22, 2024 12:58 pm

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+1 to this idea though we need to solve this Massive Bot Village problem NOW
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Re: Bot Deterrant (real)

Postby Nocturnal-Rainbows » Tue Oct 22, 2024 12:59 pm

SnuggleSnail wrote:Saying "just do X" when X is neigh impossible over and over more angrily each time reeks of somebody who's never had to solve a hard problem in their life

Neigh impossible? Loving every laugh.
Like I said, I've played plenty of games throughout my life and they have successfully enforced single account usage using the very method I've suggested, which is why I'm suggesting it in the first place.
Tell me truthfully, are you genuinely trying to downplay how simple it is to have an algorithm check for IP's (something which is already visible to the server owner anyway) when logged in on an account?

I do agree with you on one thing. Something reeks here. To me it reeks of desperation from people who don't want to give up their alts and so they've laid it on thick, this whole fantasy that stopping alts is impossible when it isn't. It's a solved problem. It's been solved for years.
None of this shit I've advocated would even be an inconvenience for people either, the only ones who would find it inconvenient are those who would try to find work arounds.
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Re: Bot Deterrant (real)

Postby grumgrumganoe » Tue Oct 22, 2024 1:03 pm

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Re: Bot Deterrant (real)

Postby SnuggleSnail » Tue Oct 22, 2024 1:11 pm

The Chinese government built their own version of the internet to do a funi control their peasants. They have multiple multi-billion dollar agencies and private companies working on it. The stakes for them are absurd wealth literally beyond what a single person can spend in a lifetime, control of a state, and not getting guillotined by revolutionaries. They have draconian laws that allow citizens to be sent to jail for posting something they don't like, or subversion of their bullshit, and everybody has funi government issued IDs for internet activities.

Yet with all that shit going for them, the second most powerful group in the world can't stop 12 year olds from fucking around with a VPM and making a facebook account to call Xi Jinping winnie the pooh.

If you think 1 swedish nerd can with no physical control or financial backing can do this shit for what is probably his side hustle you're not even dumb you're straight up schizophrenic
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Re: Bot Deterrant (real)

Postby PBR » Tue Oct 22, 2024 1:13 pm

Nocturnal-Rainbows wrote:
SnuggleSnail wrote:Saying "just do X" when X is neigh impossible over and over more angrily each time reeks of somebody who's never had to solve a hard problem in their life

Neigh impossible? Loving every laugh.
Like I said, I've played plenty of games throughout my life and they have successfully enforced single account usage using the very method I've suggested, which is why I'm suggesting it in the first place.
Tell me truthfully, are you genuinely trying to downplay how simple it is to have an algorithm check for IP's (something which is already visible to the server owner anyway) when logged in on an account?

I do agree with you on one thing. Something reeks here. To me it reeks of desperation from people who don't want to give up their alts and so they've laid it on thick, this whole fantasy that stopping alts is impossible when it isn't. It's a solved problem. It's been solved for years.
None of this shit I've advocated would even be an inconvenience for people either, the only ones who would find it inconvenient are those who would try to find work arounds.

Pretty sure most of those games specifically ban botting (incredibly detectible) and NOT alts which as you are a blind servant of the demon of Babylon you are unable to tell the difference. Hey here's an idea-If this game sucks so bad, why not go play those games which implement your desired policies instead? I see through you. Your real motive is to drive wholesome family players, grandpa and grandma, out of playing this game. The Demon of Babylon hates such things. BEGONE, SERVANT OF THE DARK ONE!
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Re: Bot Deterrant (real)

Postby Nocturnal-Rainbows » Tue Oct 22, 2024 1:35 pm

SnuggleSnail wrote:Yet with all that shit going for them, the second most powerful group in the world can't stop 12 year olds from fucking around with a VPM and making a facebook account to call Xi Jinping winnie the pooh.

If you think 1 swedish nerd can with no physical control or financial backing can do this shit for what is probably his side hustle you're not even dumb you're straight up schizophrenic

Making a facebook account and having multiple clients open, connected to a server are two completely different things.
VPN isn't doing shit to save you from having multiple clients open, they're all going to show the same IP regardless.
I host my own private UO and WoW servers so I can fuck around in single player. As host you literally see the IP's using each account.
It's piss easy to spot people with the same IP and as such it's piss easy to get rid of them.

PBR wrote:Pretty sure most of those games specifically ban botting (incredibly detectible) and NOT alts which as you are a blind servant of the demon of Babylon you are unable to tell the difference. Hey here's an idea-If this game sucks so bad, why not go play those games which implement your desired policies instead? I see through you. Your real motive is to drive wholesome family players, grandpa and grandma, out of playing this game. The Demon of Babylon hates such things. BEGONE, SERVANT OF THE DARK ONE!

Bro the God and Babylon larp is already cringe, you don't know shit about either and it shows lol. I bet you unironically believe in the trinity which is more babylonian bollocks.
As for the claim that they ban botting, they did have a rule against botting too, that's true, but I dunno how successful that was because I seemed to be able to bot just fine. Only time I got questioned was when the GM was online watching people, which obviously isn't going to happen with H&H.
Anyway, the alt account shit is what they caught all the time. I had accounts banned, friends had accounts banned and we weren't even opening 2 clients at the same time, we'd log out, login to the other account and it would still get found out but if you did open 2 clients simultaneously and log in to 2 accounts it would ban you instantly, just like how a word filter on discord bans you for saying naughty words :^)
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Re: Bot Deterrant (real)

Postby SnuggleSnail » Tue Oct 22, 2024 1:39 pm

lol the fact you can't figure out how to do something I did in second grade in the library computer lab to play multiple runescape accounts at once fills me with a smug sense of superiority
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Re: Bot Deterrant (real)

Postby sMartins » Tue Oct 22, 2024 1:51 pm

The release on Steam is the perfect time to do some cleaning and put some rules in place, the game, the community and the popularity of the game will certainly benefit.

Let's put a stop to the usual crap at least this time, let the game be a game and have fun everyone, within it, as such.

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Re: Bot Deterrant (real)

Postby Nocturnal-Rainbows » Tue Oct 22, 2024 2:05 pm

SnuggleSnail wrote:lol the fact you can't figure out how to do something I did in second grade in the library computer lab to play multiple runescape accounts at once fills me with a smug sense of superiority

You played with multiple accounts in a game which allows you to play with multiple accounts? Incredible... truly incredible...

Anyway, heres my UO server. Here's my 3 characters and my admin all logged in at the same time. My server shows the IP's and the accounts they're linked to. My GM sees the same thing.
Now let's assume all the shit I mentioned earlier is implemented.
Feel free to tell me how you're going to play here on my server with multiple accounts without getting banned. What's your VPN going to do bro? How is that helping you open more than 1 client? I'm all ears.

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