Credos bad

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Re: Credos bad

Postby WESKERBOY » Sun Oct 04, 2020 4:01 am

hektor96643 wrote:
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Mervin wrote:Credos still bad, the grind might've been a bit more acceptable if we could keep the progress between worlds. The devs have stated that they want a persistent world at some point so why not go all the way and let our characters survive the next world reset? Unbalanced some might say but with a new persistent world the "equality" will only last a week or so anyways, if even that long. Balancing new and longterm players is something they'll have to deal with anyways at some point.

Fairly sure it would bring some players back to grind a bit before reset, even if we only got to keep the credos.



That Is a response! If not keeped at least make them easier next world. Something like 2 misions less on each credo you finished. That Will ay least make less anoying.


You two! I just had an idea. So basic somebody probably already gave it.. probably. What if we had a "ancestral worship mechanisc" but for one of your alts from prior world? It could work like a "long quest chain" given you a possibility to gain stats/xp/skills or even some levels in your currently credo progress if your "grand ancestor" had it done.



This sounds interesting, like a Quest ritual to regain some of your ancestral knowledge. Ofc It should not be explotable and advantage should suit to make credos easier but nothing to kill fresh start
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Re: Credos bad

Postby Magnussen » Sun Oct 04, 2020 6:30 am

hektor96643 wrote:What if we had a "ancestral worship mechanisc" but for one of your alts from prior world?

Sounds like you're begging for a way for tryhards to be infinitely better than you, every single world.
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Re: Credos bad

Postby Mervin » Sun Oct 04, 2020 9:35 am

Magnussen wrote:
hektor96643 wrote:What if we had a "ancestral worship mechanisc" but for one of your alts from prior world?

Sounds like you're begging for a way for tryhards to be infinitely better than you, every single world.


The game already has diminishing returns on quality and stats so infinitely better is a bit of a stretch. You might not be able to catch up in pure numbers but an equally sized, well-organized group would definetly become competitive to an old one. How much time they would need to do so is a game balancing issue the devs will have to deal with.

But we're getting a bit off topic, credo's the name of the game and I think keeping them between worlds would justify the grindy nature of their quests, I know I've been putting off doing them too much this world because I know I'll have to repeat them at some point. For some reason I don't feel the same about grinding pure stats.
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Re: Credos bad

Postby Massa » Sun Oct 04, 2020 8:11 pm

Who ever suggested to keep shit between worlds is seriously lost in the sauce and hektor and weskerboy are friends trying to support each other's bad ideas.

Make credos not shit. It's not hard. They are bad content.
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Re: Credos bad

Postby WESKERBOY » Sun Oct 04, 2020 9:08 pm

Massa wrote:Who ever suggested to keep shit between worlds is seriously lost in the sauce and hektor and weskerboy are friends trying to support each other's bad ideas.

Make credos not shit. It's not hard. They are bad content.

In fact I dont even know hektor, and making a little easier (just a little) about the credos can make playerbase to raise again. As I said before "the grind Is the grind" is one of the basic stuff I like on any game, mean those in wich with some work u achieve stuff, but let's face It, a lot of people quit on having to start credos all over again, wasnt my case but pretty much the others was. Anyway Lets just enjoy the game and hope for more development in the way It comes.
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Re: Credos bad

Postby hektor96643 » Tue Oct 06, 2020 3:14 am

WESKERBOY wrote:
Massa wrote:Who ever suggested to keep shit between worlds is seriously lost in the sauce and hektor and weskerboy are friends trying to support each other's bad ideas.

Make credos not shit. It's not hard. They are bad content.

In fact I dont even know hektor, and making a little easier (just a little) about the credos can make playerbase to raise again. As I said before "the grind Is the grind" is one of the basic stuff I like on any game, mean those in wich with some work u achieve stuff, but let's face It, a lot of people quit on having to start credos all over again, wasnt my case but pretty much the others was. Anyway Lets just enjoy the game and hope for more development in the way It comes.


weskerboy, just so you know. massa is a fake account our most beloved Slugness, SnuggleSnail uses it to make bad logical arguments and praise his main account. Even if we were friends, i don't think it should work like "the most voted or liked idea" WILL be implemented, so this apointment is irrelevant, and our Slugness is challenged but not dumb, so he knows it.

My main position is the same everytime snail complaings "i don't like coz i can't exploit it easily"

But I can perceive many ppl don't want to get rid of credos, but they feel changes must be made.

Imo, credo and the recent hardcap on crops and trees by area is a interesting way to keep the gameplay smarter and impredictiable, therefore a feature undesired by ppl who rely on botting villages
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Re: Credos bad

Postby hektor96643 » Tue Oct 06, 2020 3:17 am

Magnussen wrote:
hektor96643 wrote:What if we had a "ancestral worship mechanisc" but for one of your alts from prior world?

Sounds like you're begging for a way for tryhards to be infinitely better than you, every single world.



Ty, for take the time to answer me. I suggest you learn how to brainstorm. Then you could really help.
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Re: Credos bad

Postby hektor96643 » Tue Oct 06, 2020 3:22 am

Mervin wrote:
Magnussen wrote:
hektor96643 wrote:What if we had a "ancestral worship mechanisc" but for one of your alts from prior world?

Sounds like you're begging for a way for tryhards to be infinitely better than you, every single world.


The game already has diminishing returns on quality and stats so infinitely better is a bit of a stretch. You might not be able to catch up in pure numbers but an equally sized, well-organized group would definetly become competitive to an old one. How much time they would need to do so is a game balancing issue the devs will have to deal with.

But we're getting a bit off topic, credo's the name of the game and I think keeping them between worlds would justify the grindy nature of their quests, I know I've been putting off doing them too much this world because I know I'll have to repeat them at some point. For some reason I don't feel the same about grinding pure stats.


Yes, diminishing returns could be kept in mind when we think about how to improve the credo system. Currently i think just trasnfer credo directly between worlds, like in same-world death is a just too much. Maybe what could be possible is something like "making a credo this world would make it easier to do it next world or it could give a lil increment em some mechanics that would show up in the mid-world run to late world game... so the feeling of fresh start would not be forgoten"... more or less.
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Re: Credos bad

Postby WESKERBOY » Tue Oct 06, 2020 3:29 am

hektor96643 wrote:
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Massa wrote:Who ever suggested to keep shit between worlds is seriously lost in the sauce and hektor and weskerboy are friends trying to support each other's bad ideas.

Make credos not shit. It's not hard. They are bad content.

In fact I dont even know hektor, and making a little easier (just a little) about the credos can make playerbase to raise again. As I said before "the grind Is the grind" is one of the basic stuff I like on any game, mean those in wich with some work u achieve stuff, but let's face It, a lot of people quit on having to start credos all over again, wasnt my case but pretty much the others was. Anyway Lets just enjoy the game and hope for more development in the way It comes.


weskerboy, just so you know. massa is a fake account our most beloved Slugness, SnuggleSnail uses it to make bad logical arguments and praise his main account. Even if we were friends, i don't think it should work like "the most voted or liked idea" WILL be implemented, so this apointment is irrelevant, and our Slugness is challenged but not dumb, so he knows it.

My main position is the same everytime snail complaings "i don't like coz i can't exploit it easily"

But I can perceive many ppl don't want to get rid of credos, but they feel changes must be made.

Imo, credo and the recent hardcap on crops and trees by area is a interesting way to keep the gameplay smarter and impredictiable, therefore a feature undesired by ppl who rely on botting villages



Ceetainly I did not knew. I been off for too long. Back in my days borka was active dont know if still. Btw credos cant diaapear, just be reworked
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Re: Credos bad

Postby DDDsDD999 » Tue Oct 06, 2020 4:31 am

hektor96643 wrote:weskerboy, just so you know. massa is a fake account our most beloved Slugness, SnuggleSnail uses it to make bad logical arguments and praise his main account.

Way to pull that out your ass. We all know weskerboy is your alt account, no one's falling for your shit.
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