Remove safepalis

[Thuzzy]

Imagine failing a 3v1 gank against someone in mrage and your first instinct is to sprint to the forum, whining across multiple threads. Peak manchild behavior.

[DonVelD]

Imagine failing a 3v1 gank against someone in mrage and your first instinct is to sprint to the forum, whining across multiple threads. Peak manchild behavior.

wow you sound very salty about losing 600hp gg
(mom said its my turn to portray you as the soyjak)

Secondly, if there are so many warriors here, why are there always more of you

you know what a gank is, right? youre meant to strike at an opportune moment

but that doesnt matter as we had a 3v3 before, you can whine about the skill, we can whine about the stats yadda yadda doesnt matter

still, we can agree that hiding in a safepali is the opposite of fun if we're speaking of a pvp scenario. i'm open to any counterpoints (which i dont expect to be good as there's literally no fun to safepalis as jacking off with 5 friends in a safepali after a fight is not my kink)

if your answer is "but if you were losing you wouldnt say that!" - i've been pvping since 2020 and i've been both on losing and winning sides numerous times and never have i used a safepali, i just always found them really gay

[SnuggleSnail]

Removing safepalis is something I've been suggesting since prolly late W12 or early W13, both worlds where I was on the losing side.

• They're not fun
• If you actually ask a hermit when the last time they escaped with 1 the answer is never or 5 years ago
• Hermits constantly get raided through Ngates, I literally fucked some1s entire base up yesterday that way
• They make faction PVP around people's base very non-committal and cringe
• The only class of people who actually use them are hermit murderers afraid of ever getting into a real fight
• They discourage PVP vs. near equals, encourage killing randomly far from bases (or next to 'offensive' safepalis
• They make tracking outlaws impossible if they choose to be cringe about it
• There's a safepali next to every thingwall making realm fights insanely cringe
• There is no edge case upside where they do something good

I think the worst part is that every time nerfing safepalis gets brought up the only group they benefit, people who wanna kill hermits with no possibility of recourse, spam the threads pretending that they don't want it because it'll hurt hermits when that's the fakest shit ever

[_Xaliant_]

why do yall waste yall time on people like snail.and his lackey they do what ever they want and when they don't get their way they complain. Just let them be and ignore them most of the population does it lols. Boys will cry and man's will stay quiet and enjoy the game.

[DonVelD]

womp womp someone has a different opinion than me

[eliminator]

I think its a good idea to remove the safe palis and non-visitor gates. But in addition, visitor gates should be modified:
* You can now pass through visitor gate when in combat, if you have vandalism rights on the claim
* You cannot attack through the gate (i cant remember if it is already the case)
* Wild animals can only pass if they are leashed to a character with vandalism rights on the claim

This will stop the annoying safe pali meta and greatly improve quality of life.

[vatas]

You cannot attack through the gate (i cant remember if it is already the case)

You can both Aggro AND attack through a gate (at least I remember seeing an old PvP video where someone stands right next to a closed gate, and someone sword stabs them from the other side.)

It used to be that if a character was to AFK/Outlaw outdoors and within a direct LoS of an open Visitor gate, someone could aggro from outside and simply walk inside and beat said character to death. Only indirectly fixed by the "can't walk through Visitor Gate while in combat" -change. (Also we now have the KO window that applies to offline Outlaws as well.)

[DonVelD]

I think its a good idea to remove the safe palis and non-visitor gates. But in addition, visitor gates should be modified:
* You can now pass through visitor gate when in combat, if you have vandalism rights on the claim
* You cannot attack through the gate (i cant remember if it is already the case)
* Wild animals can only pass if they are leashed to a character with vandalism rights on the claim

This will stop the annoying safe pali meta and greatly improve quality of life.

how would that be any different from regular safe palis though? that's just the same thing but without normal gates