Things you would like to see changed before the new world.

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Re: Things you would like to see changed before the new worl

Postby Hrenli » Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:34 pm

2d0x wrote:Well, this is like a preference for all sorts of third-party clients and modifications, but only vice versa.


So you want a minor convenience change to vanilla client even though official approach from devs is - custom clients are exactly for that. Well... It shouldn't take long to compile your own client version with just one addition which you want.

After all, what if there is another player like you who wants vanilla client but doesn't want immersion-breaking list of charter stones? I think I know two such players, btw. :)
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Re: Things you would like to see changed before the new worl

Postby Yorla » Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:36 pm

Vanilla client needs too much of en improvement - I'd rather have them work on the game itself than waste their time on the thing which can be taken care of by others.
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Re: Things you would like to see changed before the new worl

Postby 2d0x » Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:41 pm

Hrenli wrote:
2d0x wrote:Well, this is like a preference for all sorts of third-party clients and modifications, but only vice versa.


So you want a minor convenience change to vanilla client even though official approach from devs is - custom clients are exactly for that. Well... It shouldn't take long to compile your own client version with just one addition which you want.

After all, what if there is another player like you who wants vanilla client but don't want immersion-breaking list of charter stones? I think I know two such players, btw. :)

I want the developers to make a good comfortable game, and not a sketch, refined by others. It is like reading a book in different translations and in the original. Something like this.
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Re: Things you would like to see changed before the new worl

Postby Hrenli » Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:56 pm

2d0x wrote:I want the developers to make a good comfortable game, and not a sketch, refined by others.


The world is the game. Client is just that - a client. FAQ even says:

We feel strongly that the design of coherent and optimally functional user interfaces – what the client fundamentally is – leaves plenty of room for personal tastes. No one size fits all, and if you're unhappy with the standard size we provide, we take no issue with you retooling it to suit your own preferences.


And then the fact that HnH is an eternal alpha and nether claimed to be finished and perfect. There are tons of things to improve still but you want to insist on a small thing which is already fixed for you by others? Really?
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Re: Things you would like to see changed before the new worl

Postby Hrenli » Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:01 pm

2d0x wrote:It is like reading a book in different translations and in the original.


Bad analogy. More like reading a book in a hard cover or the same book in a pocket format of from e-ink device. Up to you to choose what suits your needs, the book is still the same. In this exact case we are talking about wrapping a book into a protective cover which you could do yourself but trying to make the writer (not even a shop keeper) to do it for you. And there is another customer in the shop who has a protective cover which (sort of) fits and even offering it to you, but you are saying "naaay, I want the original...".
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Re: Things you would like to see changed before the new worl

Postby 2d0x » Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:20 pm

Hrenli wrote:
2d0x wrote:I want the developers to make a good comfortable game, and not a sketch, refined by others.


The world is the game. Client is just that - a client. FAQ even says:

We feel strongly that the design of coherent and optimally functional user interfaces – what the client fundamentally is – leaves plenty of room for personal tastes. No one size fits all, and if you're unhappy with the standard size we provide, we take no issue with you retooling it to suit your own preferences.

I see no contradictions.
Hrenli wrote:...nether claimed to be finished and perfect...

So do I.
Hrenli wrote:...There are tons of things to improve still but you want to insist on a small thing which is already fixed for you by others? Really?

In fact, I want this to be corrected as well. Otherwise would not have written. Any problems?
Hrenli wrote:
2d0x wrote:It is like reading a book in different translations and in the original.

Bad analogy... In this exact case we are talking about wrapping a book into a protective cover which you could do yourself but trying to make the writer (not even a shop keeper) to do it for you...

Is it really? In my opinion, this you suggest me to read a book, supplemented by other people.

P.S.: For example, they added a feature to preview the quality and range of the shaft supports. The world will not shatter into a trillion pink teddy bears if developers ignore my request. But you do not need to convince me that I do not have the right to want it.
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Re: Things you would like to see changed before the new worl

Postby Hrenli » Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:53 pm

2d0x wrote:I see no contradictions.


Interface is a matter of personal taste. Jorbtar made vanilla client to their taste. For their taste it's fine. For people who want more they opened the client sources. Your wish contradicts with their approach.

The world will not shatter into a trillion pink teddy bears if developers ignore my request. But you do not need to convince me that I do not have the right to want it.


Sorry if you red my words in such a way, I did not mean for you to shut up or that you can't have such an opinion. Of course you can want whatever you want. And even write about it, no problem. :) I just tried to point out that there are quite a few possibilities to workaround this particular problem therefore I saw flaws in your opinion (from my point of view).

Well, probably time to stop flooding before unmentionable mod with b/w avatar jumps in. Peace! :)

P.S. Couldn't resist. :) The topic is about things to change BEFORE new world. It will take some time before you'll really have a possibility to use a charterstone jump in W11.
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Re: Things you would like to see changed before the new worl

Postby Granger » Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:33 pm

Hrenli wrote:Well, probably time to stop flooding before unmentionable mod with b/w avatar jumps in. Peace! :)

That's nice of you.
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Re: Things you would like to see changed before the new worl

Postby Zepar72 » Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:16 pm

Would it be possible to disable map rendering through walls? I'm talking about caves / mines. As it is now, when walking in caves you can direct yourself solely using the map, which kinda kills the "exploring the unknown" vibe. It's the same with mining, there is no surprise that you've opened some unknown tunnel, as you could see it miles away on the minimap, and just had to mine your way through.
On the same note, you wouldn't see other players mines so easily, which would give a nice twist to underground plays, like trying to mine you way under some village thinking "maybe we'll be able to invade their mines, if they have some", not just "oh, we see there are mines there".
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Re: Things you would like to see changed before the new worl

Postby Ysh » Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:35 pm

Zepar72 wrote:Would it be possible to disable map rendering through walls?

Possible? I think so. Feasible? Likely no. At least it seem to me like this will take much work to implement, more than benefit is worth.
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