Mine Support Changes are Awful.

[azrid]

In defence of the people that like the old easy botting system is the fact that everyone has the bot.
Now they have to suck up to someone who can write a bot.

[Zepar72]

Just wanted to toss my two cents in here, I know there are a couple trolls barfing up defense of the mining changes, but they have a very strong negative impact on those of us who play more casually. Don't force us to use bots to try to keep up with our neighbors and defend ourselves. And consider this, the only people defending the changes seem to be notorious trolls. That should really tell you all you need to know.

You're just hurling insults and using "the botting" argument . .

[Massa]

In defence of the people that like the old easy botting system is the fact that everyone has the bot.
Now they have to suck up to someone who can write a bot.

You aren't making a very strong case for your side.

[Kaios]

I'm not sure if this was mentioned yet but one thing that really bothers me about this change is that it's either impossible or at the least extremely difficult to mine even a 1-2 minimap distance towards a new cave/cavern. For example I've recently come across a large cavern on the first level that did not appear to have any cave entrances or tunnels leading in to it so I decided to attempt mining over to it. Well you can forget about ever being able to do stuff like that any more without a very high amount of luck that you won't be stopped in your tracks by a wall of cave-in tiles.

Are we supposed to build a new minehole every single time we want to explore a new place underground now?

[jock2]

I have never read such a stupid response....

Also those whole "botting this", "botting that" arguments are pretty much just another way to pointlessly whine. If you can use bots in both old and new systems, then there's no point to use that argument if we're talking about real, non-botting players. Same goes to "i don't like minesweeper" cries. If you don't like it, don't mine. Buy your metal and go forage or farm. You don't have to do anything in this game, nobody forces you, so don't force creators to make every system as easy for you as possible . .

The botting argument... is a major one, if the difficulty doesn't change for bots but does for non-botters that's a BAD change. That adds more weight to botting. Countless people already mention the temptation to start botting.

Also, the whole "don't mine" thing is Ludacris If half the population decide not to mine then that's a problem as both a game mechanic and has an economic crisis. Read this thread, everyone all ready states how valuable metal was last world, this would double it AND then lower the value of everything else even more effectively quadrupling the value of metal alone. Going back to the botting AGAIN. It incentive the use of bots more and more the higher the value metal would become. Never mind the fact that the game is BUILT round mining and we literally need this to be done.

Let's make this absolutely clear, increasing the difficulty of mining does NOT make it better for the game, it removes more desire to play it. In a game that you can see has a botting crisis and you can check this by reading the countless threads across this forums. IT is not smart or fair to make changes that affect real people more than bots.

Revert this change, rethink your Aim and goal of this core mechanic of the goal. Create more interesting and innovating ways to expand on this system.

[Ocerion]

It is not hurling insults to state that people who antagonize for fun do so, and that those people who display such behavior support these changes. And the botting argument isn't an argument. People openly state they use bots to do the mining whereas before you could do so without bots. These are what you call facts, my friend. Not insults, not arguments. The inescapable truth is the mining system as it is now, among a few other seems, seem to be almost designed as a method to support major factions over "The little guy" and the people supporting these changes being of a particular type really seems to support this argument.

[Zepar72]

It is not hurling insults to state that people who antagonize for fun do so, and that those people who display such behavior support these changes. And the botting argument isn't an argument. People openly state they use bots to do the mining whereas before you could do so without bots. These are what you call facts, my friend. Not insults, not arguments. The inescapable truth is the mining system as it is now, among a few other seems, seem to be almost designed as a method to support major factions over "The little guy" and the people supporting these changes being of a particular type really seems to support this argument.

Previously, the more metal (and food) you had, the more metal you could get. Mining was just a time sink, a thing done by a bot or an AFK person, just clicking an area to mine. It seems that "the little guys" couldn't put 10 supports and go afk for 6 hours, as they would need both metal and food for that. Now the "big bad" players have both metal and food supply to do that. So it's those people that had it the easiest to mine shitload of metal, which was used to mine even bigger shitload of it.
Now metal isn't a determining factor of getting more metal . . How is that hurting "the little guys"?
Also why are you implying people defending those changes are of "perticular type"? The biggest community i've been a part of was 2 people, and with those changes i find it even better to play more hermit-like style, as it hurts mass-production, so i won't fall 100 years behind and be forced to sell everything i mine.
It's not like i'm all against everyone who writes something here. If supports really break just from one cave-in, then it should be changed. Maybe some RNG between 20-60% ? As long as supports don't give back metal yeld bigger, that what was used for making them, it's fine. If they do, it's just grindfest that every single "little player" (irony) you talk about loves so much.

[Zepar72]

I'm not sure if this was mentioned yet but one thing that really bothers me about this change is that it's either impossible or at the least extremely difficult to mine even a 1-2 minimap distance towards a new cave/cavern. For example I've recently come across a large cavern on the first level that did not appear to have any cave entrances or tunnels leading in to it so I decided to attempt mining over to it. Well you can forget about ever being able to do stuff like that any more without a very high amount of luck that you won't be stopped in your tracks by a wall of cave-in tiles.

Are we supposed to build a new minehole every single time we want to explore a new place underground now?

1-2 minimaps is a huge distance. You either have to be lucky, determined or willing to lose a lot of metal i guess. Sooner or later you'll probably get there (i don't belive in a big wall of cave-ins) but it'll probably be a way around it, not a pretty straight line people were used to).
I think a lot of people are frustrated they can't control everything they want. If there's no easy way, take hard one or give up
Or open the forums and let us hear your woes

[Ocerion]

Now metal isn't a determining factor of getting more metal . . How is that hurting "the little guys"?

Were you even able to keep a straight face in the real world while typing that out I wonder? The more you try to dispute this, the more you support my claim that it is the trolls who enjoy the changes. I sincerely hope the Devs read your arguments for it, as I think they are despite your efforts, the ultimate examples of why this new system is flat awful. If only a troll supports something, and only the trolls fight for it, it needs to be removed.

[Burinn]

Now metal isn't a determining factor of getting more metal . . How is that hurting "the little guys"?

Were you even able to keep a straight face in the real world while typing that out I wonder? The more you try to dispute this, the more you support my claim that it is the trolls who enjoy the changes. I sincerely hope the Devs read your arguments for it, as I think they are despite your efforts, the ultimate examples of why this new system is flat awful. If only a troll supports something, and only the trolls fight for it, it needs to be removed.

People who disagree with me are trolls!