Controversial Names / Naming

[Vaku]

Understand, I know that Seatribe's resources are currently limited.

Even you cannot believe yourself, when you suggest, "But those two men! They can't possibly run a company! With the time in the day, who can have a conscience?!"

Seatribe, in the past has paid for musicians to produce music. They've paid for people to produce textures and models (or something to that effect—I'm recalling their Salem development for this one). Point being, they're a company, and as they're getting paid for their work, they're in a stronger position to hire, and in a weaker position to make excuses that they're just two men (really, it hasn't been an excuse they've made, but a limitation that the community has put upon them). Seatribe is a growing company—therefore, perfectly capable of making hires in the foreseeable future.



Another argument I'm seeing, is, "Seatribe shouldn't buckle in support of my belief, unless they're at risk of legal action." To this, I suggest you begin to argue without the law being in question. Modern law is intricate, and messy. To understand it and argue it effectively, you either need to be a lawyer who practices in Sweden, focusing on the correct content area—or, hire a lawyer yourself, which is, again, an activity Seatribe can do, because they're not just two men, they're a company. Law is malleable, and you should see it as such. Those who live to the letter of the law, have no way of changing it, or living outside its bounds. Those who practice to the spirit of the law, do. Here, we argue to the spirit. Is it unconscionable to permit the use of

abusive, defamatory, ethnically or racially offensive, harassing, harmful, hateful, or threatening language.

, especially, is it unconscionable to allow said language in that institutionalized form that I expressed earlier?



This is some food for thought. I'll be getting to your argument, later Sabi—that,

If you don't like it, [use ingame actions to dispute it].

I think this is a fundamentally flawed argument for this particular case. In short, I don't think this language should be further normalized as a game mechanic, brushed off simply with, "Slurs, working as intended." That argument is beyond silly, and I'll address why in a later post.

[Kaios]

I think you make a fair point, perhaps they could at least implement a filter in to the client that would allow you to list the words you don't want to see? That would be something.

[Vaku]

I think you make a fair point, perhaps they could at least implement a filter in to the client that would allow you to list the words you don't want to see? That would be something.

I would be comfortable with that—a client-side language filter. Thank you for that suggestion.

[Tonkyhonk]

Seatribe, in the past has paid for musicians to produce music. They've paid for people to produce textures and models (or something to that effect—I'm recalling their Salem development for this one). Point being, they're a company, and as they're getting paid for their work, they're in a stronger position to hire, and in a weaker position to make excuses that they're just two men (really, it hasn't been an excuse they've made, but a limitation that the community has put upon them). Seatribe is a growing company—therefore, perfectly capable of making hires in the foreseeable future.

1. music was produced by kaka, their long time friend. not sure if they "paid" for it in an official manner.
2. salem's outsourcing was not seatrbie choice, but paradox's. they had a contract with paradox and paradox paid seatribe, not the other way around.
3. point being, what you expect from a "company" does not necessarily have to be who they are.


im not really sure about the corporate laws in europe or sweden, so i leave it there.

that said, the hardest part is where you draw the line. i dont want to see another inconsistency of censoring and banning nazis related or the said common slurs while allowing other racism other people find minor somehow, such as allowing(or even encouraging) a pvp group roleplaying stereotyped indians in salem just because the leader claims to be from a native tribe and insisted it wasn't racism. im against racism in general as most everyone else, but im also against sjw overreactions, and i hate inconsistency.

i dont know what the best solution is, but i dont see censoring solves it. when one is censored, another will appear. bringing their names up in "Moot" with certain alert sounds more reasonable to me so far.

p.s. client side filter doesnt work for modded client users

[jorb]

Do we also implement scripts that...

Prevent people from writing offensive things using tile art?
Prevent people from using word combinations that are offensive without any of the individual words being so?
Recognize every possible permutation of offensive words written using alternate symbols, spacing, or punctuation?

That sounds both fun and possible.

[Flameturtle]

Do we also implement scripts that...

Prevent people from writing offensive things using tile art?
Prevent people from using word combinations that are offensive without any of the individual words being so?
Recognize every possible permutation of offensive words written using alternate symbols, spacing, or punctuation?

That sounds both fun and possible.

Well, yeah, but this has always been a cesspit of free speech.

[Óðinn]

Normally I would agree with you all on this. People can say whatever they want and it should be that way.

Unless you're paying for a service like this. You have certain rights as a consumer and I think that now that they are monetizing this they should also take a look at the broader spectrum of things. Where as before they could simply say ''don't want to see nigger kill route on your screen? Don't play the game.'' now they need to reconsider because, after all, this person has paid for the game. And yes the devs are very much so responsible for what gets said in the game.

You can't tell a paying customer 'don't like it? Leave.' or else you'll need to refund him.

[Illumina]

When nobody had to pay nobody got to whine about what was let into the game.
If people begin paying I feel they have a right to ask for more overall quality control.

If they don't have the manpower to perform this moderation then they need to obtain it.
If they can't obtain it, then I would suspect there will be people that wont pay only to be confronted with open hate.

[sabinati]

what i think you people are not understanding is that is not as simple to prevent as you seem to think. sure they can make a script that prevents them from entering the literal text "nigger" &c but how do they prevent people from paving swastikas? how many other offensive words are there in all of the various languages of people who play this game? how do you filter more subtle racism like "jews did 911" or "hitler did nothing wrong"? neither of those contain a specific slur.

even if it were possible, muh freedom of speech.

[Óðinn]

If I were to be a consumer, I think my answer to that would be 'muh not my problem, you have my money' ?