game basically unplayable without quality on default client

[sMartins]

Trust me they hurt this game in the long term. ( just looking at youtube is one of the basic reasons .. )
Btw I can agree that right now customs are the only way for very old hardware, loftar working on it.
P.S. At very least those 60 players are mostly legit players ... without 10 alts each I guess.

[azrid]

It would be healthy for the game to address this issue.

[Myrgard]

P.S. At very least those 60 players are mostly legit players ... without 10 alts each I guess.

Nope. Check DaniAngiones screens from the last 12 hours, that bastard has a working custom client.

In all honesty if there was nothing but the vanilla client available I'd probably just quit the game.

[iamahh]

I like the way the game looks of default client, very pretty, but the restrictions imposed feel very outdated, like a DOS game. Farming and ql indications, mining, map and icons, etc.

Custom vs. Default it's similar to piracy, it's not because you shutdown piracy that the poor will suddenly start spending their short money on movies.

[jorb]

In all honesty if there was nothing but the vanilla client available I'd probably just quit the game.

Harsh.

I have to admit that I kind of don't get what the big deal is, so feel free to point out whatever systems or features are the deal breakers for you.

[Zesto]

You right G

[Granny]

In all honesty if there was nothing but the vanilla client available I'd probably just quit the game.

Harsh.

I have to admit that I kind of don't get what the big deal is, so feel free to point out whatever systems or features are the deal breakers for you.

I am also one of those that would not pay/play if not for a custom client. I use Enders, but have tried others as well.

What they give vs the default client is feedback, reducing clicking - and control.

The features they provide would be too many to list, I suggest you use one of them for an extended periode of time - at least a month - and then go back to the default client. Then you will understand I am sure

[Amanda44]

How anyone can seriously think that custom clients are bad for the game when you can quite clearly see what has happened to the player base with Amber being currently out of action is laughable tbh and most of those are only on because they know it's just a temporary situation ... I'm sure devs are going to make a lot of income from smartins and, at a push, 99 more ...

But, I do agree it does need to be fixed, there are good things about default client, it does indeed look pretty but who has the time or patience to stand there and sort an lc of random quality goods into 3 cupboards of organised quality, having to hover over and then remember every item!? If ppl like Romovs decide to quit or stop making usable clients then this game is basically done, and that would be a crying shame.

In all honesty if there was nothing but the vanilla client available I'd probably just quit the game.

Harsh.
I have to admit that I kind of don't get what the big deal is, so feel free to point out whatever systems or features are the deal breakers for you.

You posted after I finished typing ... most definitely the title of this thread! If even that one thing was addressed I would still play if custom clients disappeared tomorrow. Maybe not as much though, lol, it gets tiring on default.

I suggest you use one of them for an extended period of time - at least a month - and then go back to the default client. Then you will understand I am sure

This ^^

[sMartins]

In all honesty if there was nothing but the vanilla client available I'd probably just quit the game.

Harsh.

I have to admit that I kind of don't get what the big deal is, so feel free to point out whatever systems or features are the deal breakers for you.

I think they are just used to them cause default was very bad in the past, plus the fear not being "competitive" ,"catching up" with others if they don't use customs, cause you know, all the exploits for combat, alerts for players, auto log out, disable graphic options, etc..
The truth to me is that right now customs are very good just for graphic options/perfomances and more shortcuts/ inventory managemnets .... once you fixed that I'd love to see a new client locked for this game tbh.

P.S. Fix the graphic interface for combat on default, make so that combat moves appears on a new hotbar you can switch from combat to normal .... in the middle of the screen right now is very bad if you ask to me.

I'm sure devs are going to make a lot of income from smartins....

Not from me but from the people that will join the game during time, retaining more people and building up slowly a bigger and healthier community. That's why and that's what we need to change in my opinion.
P.S. Protect players from themselves, one of the key rules of development, customs are bad for the fun in the game.

[Myrgard]

Harsh.

I have to admit that I kind of don't get what the big deal is, so feel free to point out whatever systems or features are the deal breakers for you.

- I have an older machine so the lag is much worse with the graphic eye candy I can't turn off.
- no warning about the presence of other players nearby, making it very dangerous to leave the base.
- No q display and auto sorting, auto moving item, making it too time consuming to manage q items like wax, silk cocoons, leather, metal bars, stone...... far too time consuming, and if not that very irritating when, crafting food, picking curio to study, crafting... well anything.

also very annoying

- no livestock manager
- no radius for mine supports
- a minimap the size of a needle head
- no indicator of valuable items near by (rare curio, cave clay...), or dangerous objects like catas or bears.
- no clear indicator of: tree growth, object damage, crop stage

mildly annoying

- the camera
- the fonts
- the way item completion is displayed for curio in study report/items in oven/kiln...
- curio time in in game hours not realm hours/ no ready lp/hour value
- no ability to place select objects on the minima (trees, bushes, boulders)

Basically every change in amber is positive. For me i'd need all items from the first group and at least some from the second to consider vanilla playable (but still worse then amber)