Game is too easy

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Re: Game is too easy

Postby » Sun May 27, 2018 2:35 pm

Well, to be fair, I live in a city with a bunch of people who are a lot stronger than I am, where I have easy access to high quality goods and medicines. It's more of a challenge when I'm alone as my hermit character.

I do mean for beginner tasks, rather than end-game tasks though. When I played for the first time back in legacy I *loved* how much of a survival thing it seemed to have to avoid the wild animals, and not drown, and get food. And how much of a risk it was just interacting with other players. It doesn't feel like that anymore.

And maybe wounds are ok. I nearly lost my head less than 24 hours ago and already I'm almost completely better, but one wound is taking a little while to heal.

It's still my personal preference to have the game be more difficult in the ways I described, at the beginning. I want survival to feel difficult. So maybe consider this post a balance to all the people who post here saying "game too harddddd I quit make it easier." I think people are more likely to post when they're rage-quitting because of disliking the difficulty than because they kinda would prefer it to be more difficult again. Some people come to games like this because they *want* it to feel challenging in that way.
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Re: Game is too easy

Postby Aceb » Sun May 27, 2018 3:06 pm

✧ wrote:[...] where I have easy access to high quality goods and medicines. It's more of a challenge when I'm alone as my hermit character. [...]

And maybe wounds are ok. I nearly lost my head less than 24 hours ago and already I'm almost completely better, but one wound is taking a little while to heal.

It's still my personal preference to have the game be more difficult in the ways I described, at the beginning. I want survival to feel difficult.[...]


It is hard for people who begin, it is not hard for people that know what to do and it always will be. It doesn't matter what You introduce, people will experience this and that and will come up with solutions unless You really want to fuck up all people and make them miserable.

Also, You pointed out being Hermit is more challenging so =)
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Re: Game is too easy

Postby Riou1231 » Sun May 27, 2018 3:38 pm

✧ wrote:Well, to be fair, I live in a city with a bunch of people who are a lot stronger than I am, where I have easy access to high quality goods and medicines. It's more of a challenge when I'm alone as my hermit character.


You basically stated the problems that are making the game too easy for you. It's only natural that the game is going to be easier when playing with others, especially with ones who are stronger and experienced. If you live in an established village then it's also a no-brainer that you're going to have easy access to high quality items you wouldn't be able to get by yourself otherwise.

The beginning/start of the game is already difficult enough, I think. The devs are constantly adding things to make life more painful, what with the recent additions such as bee stings, midge swarms, etc. And of course, the beginning of the game is going to be the most difficult. Everything can kill you. You're a walking sack of shit and you have to be careful because there are numerous things that pose a threat to you. Obviously, as you get stronger, these things will no longer be a threat to you. It's called progression, and whether it be through stats or equipment it's considered progression nonetheless. Another factor is that the current world has lasted for over a year. Qualities are inflated and it's going to be much easier to progress compared to when the world first started. That is simply unavoidable unless you craft everything yourself and never trade with anyone else.

And to address the wounds you've got and how fast your healing, it's simply a matter of how much health you have. Let's take two characters. One has 500HP and the other has 2000HP. Both have access to the same quality of medicine and both get knocked out, receiving wounds relative to their maximum amount of health. Assuming that both receive 50% of their HP in wounds, the one with 500HP needs to heal 250HP, while the one with 2000HP will need to heal 1000HP which is 4x what the other person needs to heal.

Again, I already feel like the beginning of the game is difficult enough. I began playing this world with 2 friends. The three of us had zero experience with new haven. All of us died at least once and I myself was constantly knocked out by all kinds of animals when I started playing. It was difficult to heal wounds because we didn't have access to the resources needed to make some types of medicine, but as we progressed, things got easier and animals were no longer a threat. Progression is a natural mechanic that deosn't need fixing. If something had to be fixed, I'd say it would be the inflated qualities and stats in this world which the devs are most likely going to fix in the next world.

While we're talking about difficulty, I think the issue here is that there aren't many challenges that you can find this late in the game. Early-mid game there's a lot of stuff you can do, but in the late game everything just sort of tapers off. The only thing that's left is the quality/stat race and clearing dungeons I suppose? But even then dungeons can be easily done with no problem by 2-3 people.
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Re: Game is too easy

Postby AntiBlitz » Sun May 27, 2018 4:17 pm

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MOAR DEATH BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GODS!

please jorbtar, give hearthlings back their blood, when we take damage, like in legacy
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Re: Game is too easy

Postby ctopolon3 » Mon May 28, 2018 6:34 am

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Re: Game is too easy

Postby » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:57 pm

Riou1231 wrote:
✧ wrote:Well, to be fair, I live in a city with a bunch of people who are a lot stronger than I am, where I have easy access to high quality goods and medicines. It's more of a challenge when I'm alone as my hermit character.


You basically stated the problems that are making the game too easy for you.


Maybe so. Though I wouldn't complain if the game is made more difficult again, after some experience, maybe it isn't "too easy" when on my own.

I have no trouble keeping my energy up just foraging, though, without even hunting or cooking at all. I think it would be fun if food pressure for survival were more of a thing. Maybe when seasons are added. Living off the land should (I think?) be easy in summer and difficult in winter.

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Re: Game is too easy

Postby shubla » Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:20 pm

I totally agree.
Every time I suggest something to make the game not-so easy everyone says that it is a bad idea! Eventhough it is is not.

Add diseases!
Deadly ones!
Dying of old age!
Random chance to break your leg when running in the forest!
Diabetes from eating too many honeybuns, treatable only by amputating both legs, resulting in crawling speed and funny-looking animation!
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Re: Game is too easy

Postby borka » Sat Jul 07, 2018 10:37 pm

No Nukes! ;) :-P
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Re: Game is too easy

Postby tigerlrg245 » Sun Jul 08, 2018 4:16 am

✧ wrote:game ez lul


Well yes you're living in brodgar, a well developed city with active players and no conflict with anyone. it will occasionally draw some bored attention seeker to its walls,
but you'll get access to high q stuff and always have someone to help when needed.

The difficulty in haven has always been dealing with the stress that comes with the game, whether it is freaking out by bears, or other players deciding to fuck with you.
They can break in to your place, they can lock you inside your place forever without you being able to escape if you're a noob (you can break your own hf and walk half the world, easy with cf portals now)
They can decide to constantly pray upon your walls, etc. You can go ahead and ask danny how difficult the game is, it's much easier when you're just trying to raise q.
I've traveled around a bit and from what i've seen most people don't seal their gates, at least half the players in the world can be raided with little effort, all it takes is someone willing.

It would be a breath of fresh air to have something else to do other than mess with other people and have them mess with you.
I like ladygoo's idea but I'd rather go to the monsters than have them go to me.
Once again, I suggest world bosses / events. Swarms of monsters people can join up to fight and get loots.
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Re: Game is too easy

Postby julian12it » Sun Jul 08, 2018 4:36 am

Game too easy. I sit behind walls and don't want to fight anyone because I'll lose my precious 100 UA statted character. Haha, make haven and hearth singleplayer.
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