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Re: fast paced world

Postby wonder-ass » Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:43 pm

Zentetsuken wrote:
wonder-ass wrote:Ps a lot of none pvpers with little to no pvp and siege knowledge giving their 2 cents on a pvp driven idea Nice. :lol:


Imagine trying to gatekeep a massive page of ideas ranging from quality to pvp overhaul, potentially taking months of its own development and pulling attention away from the main game behind your perceived idea of who is invested in pvp.

Why did you post it for everybody to see if you only wanted your couple of best pvp buddies to comment on it? :lol:


If youre gonna argument against my idea at least know a few things about the idea before you do.
If you have no clue about either and why the game has a problem with player retention dont comment at all ty.
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Re: fast paced world

Postby wonder-ass » Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:44 pm

Archiplex wrote:It’s a wonder a bunch of people who dislike the pvp system don’t pvp because it exists and have opinions on why it sucks.
Not being a “pvper” doesn’t mean anything unless said people vow to never pvp at all.


Hmu in discord and please explain to me why pvp sucks and how you a person that doesnt pvp know how to fix it. Im waiting
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Re: fast paced world

Postby Zentetsuken » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:08 pm

Nobody is going to hit you up on discord and explain their ideas to you because you are not the gatekeeper of pvp ideas. Nobody even knows who you are or cares besides your couple of pvp buddies.

I'll never understand the bizarre grandstand attitude of some of the pvpers in this game. Like how many fights does a person have to show up to before all of a sudden you are allowed to speak about pvp publicly? How many people need to witness you in valhalla before the gatekeepers give you the nod of approval? And who decides who these people are? :lol: It's fucking hilarious and cringy as hell.

More importantly, how do you expect to get more people interested in pvp and make it a more approachable and appealing aspect of the game by ignoring every single opinion of anybody who isn't fully invested in it? Anybody could argue that with the staleness of pvp, the longstanding rivalries and drama, accusations of cheating and toxicity that a fresh, virgin point of view might be what pvp needs. Within the tiny, tiny pvp-obsessed playerbased, the loudest and most influential voices across the 5-6 iterations of combat have lead us to here. A world where The Moot is empty and the only thing we hear about pvp is the biweekly copy/paste reminder than 5 different PVP titan accounts are for sale in 5 different haven chats.

Sounds to me like the old boys club is out of ideas.

We all know jorb and loftar aren't going to invest any time in this ridiculous brand new server idea with dozens and dozens of changes, so maybe it's time to step back and be open to some more reasonable ideas from some new minds.
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Re: fast paced world

Postby Archiplex » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:34 pm

wonder-ass wrote:
Archiplex wrote:It’s a wonder a bunch of people who dislike the pvp system don’t pvp because it exists and have opinions on why it sucks.
Not being a “pvper” doesn’t mean anything unless said people vow to never pvp at all.


Hmu in discord and please explain to me why pvp sucks and how you a person that doesnt pvp know how to fix it. Im waiting

You’re talking to the person who researched damage formulas and discovered that archery was broken in w8, and was one of the first people to use archery in combat, fyi. I’m more than familiar enough with this game’s pvp. I just haven’t played THIS world and have no interest in it because of how awful siege is and how stat based the pvp system is (I don’t have a chance to catch up to titans due to starting late)
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