C&I improvements

[Enjoyment_2]

well, I dunno how many times should I repeat, that idea is not about marking suggestion as good based on that formula?
I DON"T SAY SO.
The idea is about to determine the exact opposite.
Even a fresh player with 1 day experience may have cool idea. And if he post an idea of how to improve hermit's life - he won't be blamed for his newbish status. But when he propose (or comment) some siege changes - it's good to see this man have no idea what he's talking about.
And when ppl, who played for a week (or even less) this world, says they like changes - it's good to see they don't play (even if the current world was overflowed with many changes they liked year ago (and those changes devs were needed to revert because ppl who actually played convinced them that it was a bad changes)) and the main propose of their "feedback" is to troll or to distract devs from work.

[borka]

You've got 5 yrs experience in sorting out ... devs have double ... i'm not sure if something like that is really needed (besides taking away time from the important thing why we're here )

Most of the time a short view (read) on threads OP is enough to give me a clue if it might be interesting ... some ppls posts certainly get more often a deeper look than others ... but i "judge" by my own personal preferences ... which includes liking ideas from known inactive ppl aswell

[Hrenli]

It would show better who knows what he's talking and who's just trolling for lulz.

Please enlighten me how LP x time formula helps to distinguish serious post from lulz trolling attempt made from the same account.

[Enjoyment_2]

It would show better who knows what he's talking and who's just trolling for lulz.

Please enlighten me how LP x time formula helps to distinguish serious post from lulz trolling attempt made from the same account.

why should it? the only purpose of this idea is to show those who pretend they play while not. you can never say how serious someone is if he has both the experience and brainz, because in this case, he has both possibilities, but one can't be serious without it. I just can't do it even simpler, but I'll try:

If you have both hands you can wear new gloves and left some feedback about it, while still can not wear them or wear just one for a day. But if you have no hands - you can't use them. And so when you say you like new gloves - it's obvious you didn't use them and should not say the ppl who wear them should like them. So when you read feedback about new gloves - it's kinda good to know do all those ppl have hands at least. It won't make any other comment from ppl with hands 100% true and honest, but it will definitely help to remove 100% not true comments.

If we had some life-time statistics at character window like some rogue-like games have with all those "animals/players killed", "tiles walked", "fast traveled x times" and so on - it would be wiser to ask ppl show the related stats with comment posted, but as we don't have those - I was using those we had. I do not insist the formula is perfect tho

[Fostik]

Looking at this idea at all - i understand where this idea comes from, there's a lot of people that not playing at all, but requesting a lot of change mechanics changes, which confuses you as experienced player, especially when devs approves them. It will, of course, help you to understand, that this person is not experienced in game, or not playing for long time, or just leave game every month after world reset.
But how will it help for community/devs? Should they ignore such persons in this case?
We still have "Joined" and post count metrics, which can say a lot about poster, but still, it should not be a stopper for devs or community to support an idea.

[Enjoyment_2]

But how will it help for community/devs? Should they ignore such persons in this case?

exactly. why should you count lies as something proper?

We still have "Joined" and post count metrics, which can say a lot about poster, but still, it should not be a stopper for devs or community to support an idea.

the "joined" show only when poster played first (and potentially last) time, while post-counter is something that makes the whole system even worse because some ppl use this "metric" to post even less game-related comments just to raise it. And this current system reduces the chances of providing a good idea from novice player - because there are always some mastodonts who would dislike proposed changes despite they don't even play in non-legacy Haven, but based on their age and (probably) floodness count themself as experienced players

[azrid]

You should focus on building up your confidence to call out these inexperienced players. Explain the game to them.
Silencing them with "heh ur account play time is 0"(which means nothing as explained previously in the thread) makes people wonder if in stead you are the person full of shit.
Proving wrong these people you talk about will also give you reputation that you can point back to when suggesting your new great ideas.

[Enjoyment_2]

You should focus on building up your confidence to call out these inexperienced players. Explain the game to them.

and here we go again. that's not about shuting up newbs for time-played. Thats only to reveal lies. If you say that some changes are good/bad - you should at least try the current state to at least know how it works.

Silencing them with "heh ur account play time is 0"(which means nothing as explained previously in the thread) makes people wonder if in stead you are the person full of shit.

I don't care about what those ppl think of me, and if they waste their time on judging me instead of giving false feedback to devs, making the game I play worse, Im okay with it.

Proving wrong these people you talk about will also give you reputation that you can point back to when suggesting your new great ideas.

there's nothing to prove. they not wrong. they give false info, which can't be revealed as false w/o any mechanics to show their game experience.

Maybe another example can help.
When w12:prelude was introduced there were 30 comments with explanations what's wrong with proposed changes from ppl who actually play the game, and then 20 comments with "I like all the changes. good work." And then jorb says - okay it's kinda 50/50 - not so bad, maybe we need just adjustments. And finally ppl who play will play w12 suffering from additional tedium and pain-in-ass, and those who don't - won't play further, feeling fine with all the changes made.

[azrid]

It won't reveal lies. It may reveal some people don't play on their forum account.
Having multiple accounts is normal for any player who knows what they are doing.
Having more numbers so you can flex on others or put others down is ugly design and will cause more useless arguments.
People are already playing the forum game for bigger post number.
Better remove post counter if you want more honest CnI users.

[wonder-ass]

It won't reveal lies. It may reveal some people don't play on their forum account.
Having multiple accounts is normal for any player who knows what they are doing.
Having more numbers so you can flex on others or put others down is ugly design and will cause more useless arguments.
People are already playing the forum game for bigger post number.
Better remove post counter if you want more honest CnI users.

post count has nothing to do with how much ingame time you have. some people post more ideas than play the actual game lol.