Make the backpack slot only for backpacks

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Re: Make the backpack slot only for backpacks

Postby Tamalak » Wed Apr 22, 2020 3:57 am

SnuggleSnail wrote:I feel like a lot of the -1s here are coming from ppl who don't rly realize it's not a choice. I mean, unless you count "do you want to do the obviously correct thing or not" as a choice


Yeah the obviously correct thing is to not go into battle wearing inventory.. also when I go out picking flowers I am not in steel armor *thonking*
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Re: Make the backpack slot only for backpacks

Postby SnuggleSnail » Wed Apr 22, 2020 5:03 am

If a backpack item existed that gave +20% quality to flowers picked it'd be correct to wear it when picking flowers. It would still be an inconvenience, not a choice. Also, you should, like, absolutely be wearing armor when you're out picking flowers. You don't get to choose when PVP happens.
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Re: Make the backpack slot only for backpacks

Postby Glorthan » Wed Apr 22, 2020 5:14 am

There should be an item that allows you to instantly murder another player in render distance if they're not also holding it.

And it should be really big as well, don't wanna make it to easy to be prepared for gankers. Maybe 5x5? Anyone that leaves their base without holding it deserves to get fucked, imo. After all, we all love faux "options" here.
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Re: Make the backpack slot only for backpacks

Postby Tamalak » Wed Apr 22, 2020 5:28 am

SnuggleSnail wrote:Also, you should, like, absolutely be wearing armor when you're out picking flowers.


Well there you go.. you're playing the game better than me because the game gives us choices. Don't you want to continue playing the game better than me? Enjoy picking flowers with your 5x5 inventory knowing that you'll definitely be able to knock me out and take my wicker picker (which you will then not use) on the 0.0000001% chance we meet. Those extra hussar wings will really be what tips the battle in your favor, by jove.
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Re: Make the backpack slot only for backpacks

Postby MagicManICT » Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:13 am

Tamalak wrote: when I go out picking flowers I am not in steel armor *thonking*

If you lived in my neck of the world, you might. FYI, it's not you Snail is worried about. It's ozzy or mighty sheep or headchef or ants or whoever is in some other group than Snail is in.
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Re: Make the backpack slot only for backpacks

Postby graouh » Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:01 am

SnuggleSnail wrote:I feel like a lot of the -1s here are coming from ppl who don't rly realize it's not a choice. I mean, unless you count "do you want to do the obviously correct thing or not" as a choice


My -1 comes mostly because you are not the last abusing inventory management. Cupboard stacking is a meme now. And you are apparently still abusing it.
I mean, at least, on the battlefield, you have to pick between inventory and attributes, and I'm glad that you don't like it.

And again, fuck cheaters trying to bring new rules. You'll most probably be the first one abusing them. ;)
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Re: Make the backpack slot only for backpacks

Postby vatas » Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:50 am

Glorthan wrote:There should be an item that allows you to instantly murder another player in render distance if they're not also holding it.

And it should be really big as well, don't wanna make it to easy to be prepared for gankers. Maybe 5x5? Anyone that leaves their base without holding it deserves to get fucked, imo. After all, we all love faux "options" here.


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Re: Make the backpack slot only for backpacks

Postby Glorthan » Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:17 am

vatas wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

It's actually https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum, I didn't suggest anyone made the argument that we should do that (which would be a straw man). I'm showing that "Requiring large player inconvenience for the off chance of PvP" is bad design philosophy.

It's obviously a scale, and if it's very minor, it's not so bad. But obviously, we can see from the extreme example, that the philosophy itself is bad. 40+ agi bonus for 2 less columns is also, already, extremely bad. But some people are too stupid to see it.

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