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Re: Change the Bond of Blood and Soil to something less Nazi

Postby czaper2 » Wed May 13, 2020 11:18 pm

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Re: Change the Bond of Blood and Soil to something less Nazi

Postby jordancoles » Wed May 13, 2020 11:23 pm

>Is offended my 'nazi propaganda'
>Searches Bond of Blood and Soil on Google and gets a tailored search result related to nazi propaganda based on personal data collected
>Gets offended

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Re: Change the Bond of Blood and Soil to something less Nazi

Postby abt79 » Wed May 13, 2020 11:32 pm

czaper2 wrote:Fair enough, my mistake: they got to pick the new name after it was forced being changed.

They were still going to force it change, the only difference is the owners got to pick the new name.


No, where did you get this idea that the change was forced?

It seems you are the one “misremembering,” Pride rulers specifcally reached out to J&L wanting it changed.

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Ysh wrote:If I run this game I think I will not open Pandora's box of name moderation.

That's not really the idea either way. "White Pride"'s name was changed by request of its ruler, not for moderation reasons. "Player Pop" was likewise not changed for moderation reasons, but because we felt like it.
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Re: Change the Bond of Blood and Soil to something less Nazi

Postby czaper2 » Wed May 13, 2020 11:36 pm

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Re: Change the Bond of Blood and Soil to something less Nazi

Postby Necrisha » Wed May 13, 2020 11:46 pm

I understand why, it is upsetting to see something that is associated by a hate group- but Nazism isn't a core set of ideologies founded in any specific mythology or folklore- It is more insidious and adaptive than that. Here many neo-nazi groups are using a lot of Nordic viking mythology to prop up their ideals and values - and if we allow the Nazi frame of thought to maintain connection to any symbol of historical value the Nazis win.
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Re: Change the Bond of Blood and Soil to something less Nazi

Postby sabinati » Thu May 14, 2020 12:15 am

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_and_soil wrote:The German expression was coined in the late 19th century


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Re: Change the Bond of Blood and Soil to something less Nazi

Postby Audiosmurf » Thu May 14, 2020 12:16 am

sabinati wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_and_soil wrote:The German expression was coined in the late 19th century


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Re: Change the Bond of Blood and Soil to something less Nazi

Postby jorb » Thu May 14, 2020 12:21 am

la Wik wrote:The German expression was coined in the late 19th century, in tracts espousing racialism/racism and romantic nationalism. It produced a regionalist literature, with some social criticism.[1] This romantic attachment was widespread prior to the rise of the Nazis.[2] Major figures in 19th-century German agrarian romanticism included Ernst Moritz Arndt and Wilhelm Heinrich Riehl, who argued that the peasantry represented the foundation of the German people and conservatism.


The Haven forums do not enforce Liberalism, and, if they have an ultimate ethical standard, it consists more so of the eternal teachings of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, than of the shifting sands of contemporary American public discourse and polite sensibility, which I loathe, especially whenever I am lectured on them by corporations or blue-haired college students.

I do not long for, nor dream of, a borderless world in which the distinctions between men, women, and peoples are wiped away (Genesis 11:1-9), and yet this is the future toward which the world rapidly hurls, as was foretold.

Mahabarata, section CLXXXIX wrote:And towards the end of the Yuga men will cease to trust one another. And full of avarice and folly the whole world will have but one kind of food. And sin will increase and prosper, while virtue will fade and cease to flourish. And Brahmanas and Kshatriyas and Vaisyas will disappear, leaving, O king, no remnants of their orders. And all men towards the end of the Yuga will become members of one common order, without distinction of any kind.


If "Blood & Soil" gets your knickers in a knot, I think you would do well to explore your sense of life and deep history.
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Re: Change the Bond of Blood and Soil to something less Nazi

Postby sabinati » Thu May 14, 2020 12:29 am

Audiosmurf wrote:
sabinati wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_and_soil wrote:The German expression was coined in the late 19th century


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Re: Change the Bond of Blood and Soil to something less Nazi

Postby MagicManICT » Thu May 14, 2020 1:46 am

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MagicManICT wrote:The concept the phrase is based on dates back much older. I'm not even going to pretend to know all the various oaths sworn etc etc of or to Kings and other nobles, but it was a frequent concept in the things I have read. I believe Shakespeare had mention of something like this in one of his plays. Much of vampire mythology is based around similar concepts.

The Nazis used the specific phrase in a general manner as a slogan for part of their ministry. That does not make it "owned" by the Nazis any more than the swastika (which was also ripped off from other cultures.) It's a matter of how the words and symbols are displayed and the meaning behind them, and not just the words themselves.


You should add that to Wikipedia on the subject and see how long the edit lasts. I'm sure they'll gladly accept your vague recollection as a reference, and "Shakespeare might have said it once." as fact written in stone.

Spoiler alert: Your memory is failing you and Shakespeare never referenced the subject.

You got anything from the nonfiction department to add?

Clearly someone else didn't do their homework, either. The legal standard of "innocent until proven guilty" requires that you, the accuser, provide substantial proof, and to provide proof that such a thing is really an issue, and not merely some "woke" bullshit.
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