Revert the buff to sword armor penetration

[strpk0]

"b12 deals more damage than sword, therefore sword still bad and there's no problem with buffing them"

[Fostik]

From my humble experience MC build is trash for PvP because you can do nothing but tank, or make mediocre damage to already opened enemies.
You really can't open anyone by self, as mentioned above this insanely buffs stances, and you will suck so hard to stacked UC fighter.

I'm okay with old way where swords is PvE stuff and B12 is PvP, my take is that there were no reasons touch swords with armorpen, and think this thing should be reverted.

The only thing that may touch weapon balance is variable materials for metals, that will bring more variety to weapon choice, otherwise any change will create new meta which is bad.

[telum12]

Also the AC you're using for 1k strength is obscenely low

It's exactly the same armor stats and weapon ql our average figther had when we stopped playing for average of 1k str.

I did more tests, but results were similar. Swords sux but less than before buff.
You trashtalk in every post without providing any tests or real numbers, just screaming 250% buff !!oenene!1

The values from your tests are off. Max hirds cleave is around 900 with those values, you should test it again. Regardless, this is not about max cleaves, but about AP chipping.

Before the change, KITO spam would generally chip much more effectively than Sting spam. Now, Sting spam chips slightly more effectively than KITO.

The larger issue, however, is the block weight for ua vs. mc:

(1/0.75)^(1/3)=1.1; 10% more openings on you
(1/2.5)^(1/3)=0.736; 27% less openings on them

Taken together, that's a 50% advantage on openings for the person with mc.

So, to sum that up:

Advantages of MC:
- 50% advantage on openings
- better chip damage
Advantages of UA:
- Better theoretical cleaves once over AC
- You can do combat med shit if people are bad

The problem, of course, is that the 50% openings advantage makes cleaving high much, much more difficult. Before the AP buff, the huge openings advantage was offset by swords being worse in chipping and cleaves. Now ua is only good at big cleaves.

[wonder-ass]

Same thing happened back when spears became meta spear value didnt come from big boi cleaves it came from fast asf attack and annoying asf chip damage that out damaged b12 cleaves. Now imagine that but now you have 250% defense weight XD.

[noindyfikator]

Boar spear had 20% penetration and 1.6 range, it's way more than sword

[SnuggleSnail]

Swords have higher base damage than spears
multiplication

[noindyfikator]

Yep, and b12 still has a lot more base dmg than hirdsman

[telum12]

Yep, and b12 still has a lot more base dmg than hirdsman

holy shit you're dumb and arguing in a circle lmao

[strpk0]

"b12 deals more damage than sword, therefore sword still bad and there's no problem with buffing them"

I mean its kind of impressive how many ways you've figured out to post the exact same thing except worded differently.

[noindyfikator]

Yep, and b12 still has a lot more base dmg than hirdsman

holy shit you're dumb and arguing in a circle lmao

typical arguments: you are dumb. Without providing any meaningful information, reading your posts is waste of time.

Can't wait to see all of you with sword + shield in PvP when B12 is available. Quickbarrage and sting masters