Give Storm of Swords the Jugular treatment

[Nightdawg]

You do know Kito cleave was just as braindead as flex storm.
Have b12 once again be the best in small numbers, best at ko's, best in large numbers, best at everything, then call it a day? Nah.

Storm isn't even that good in 1v1's or 2v2s. kito cleave outcompetes it. I have tested this. The only time storm shines is in large group fights, and it isn't particularly good at getting ko's or kills.

I don't give a shit about storm, but it keeps b12 from sitting on it's throne uncontested.
Nerf/get rid of storm, then remove b12. That's all i'll say.

Parry + Cutblade + Modified SoS + OpK is literally 95% the same after this change in small fights, and it's reliable still.

IF you want to see how good SoS currently is, watch mightysheep's videos where they run into a zerg of people and hit 5 of them at the same time. No newbie does that, hence why you don't see how broken it is. Look at other people use it, don't just say "I tested it with my people", because there's a large discrepancy when you test it in a controlled environment with newbies versus fast reaction real fights.

[Dawidio123]

You do know Kito cleave was just as braindead as flex storm.
and it isn't particularly good at getting ko's or kills.

It's not, if it is then why half of your arguments is "SoS makes it so newbs can get into pvp", I think we both know it's because in kito flex cleave meta you actually have to coordinate the targets and know when to do the whole combo, including opknocking, and if someone fucks up the combo doesn't work. Comparatively SoS you target the closes target and suddenly 5 people get bonked. A better comparison was jugular, which STILL was less brainless bcs it required the so called target calling and focusing on someone instead of being AoE (hence the nerf).

As for the second argument i quoted, if you don't know how to use it to get kills it's a skill issue, it's very much able to get people killed if they don't react in time to the 80 yellow openings (THINK BOB THINK WHAT MOVE HITS HARD TO YELLOW AND CAN USE B12 WHILE BENEFITING FROM THE SUPER HIGH STR TITANS HAVE) that you get the instant you approach the SoS zerg.
Is it as good as cleave at getting that big bonks that one tap people? Sure, no. But go into a SoS zerg and not zig-zag instantly while doing a 180 and you'll see how easy it is to get bonked at that high of an opening.

I will repeat once more, you guys used SoS because it requires little to no coordination amongst the fighters so you can just send out newbs and tell them yeah just click that one button, groups like snail+brits used SoS because they know how to abuse the shit out of it and it's insanely strong in that use-case. I will clue you guys in on something, from what i'm hearing A LOT of groups will go SoS meta next world and it will NOT be fun to anyone.

Parry + Cutblade + Modified SoS + OpK is literally 95% the same after this change in small fights, and it's reliable still.

Try this but swap parry to bloodlust, a fully charged bloodlust into SoS is INSANE in those scenarios.

[overtyped]

You do know Kito cleave was just as braindead as flex storm.
and it isn't particularly good at getting ko's or kills.

It's not, if it is then why half of your arguments is "SoS makes it so newbs can get into pvp", I think we both know it's because in kito flex cleave meta you actually have to coordinate the targets and know when to do the whole combo, including opknocking, and if someone fucks up the combo doesn't work. Comparatively SoS you target the closes target and suddenly 5 people get bonked. A better comparison was jugular, which STILL was less brainless bcs it required the so called target calling and focusing on someone instead of being AoE (hence the nerf).

As for the second argument i quoted, if you don't know how to use it to get kills it's a skill issue, it's very much able to get people killed if they don't react in time to the 80 yellow openings (THINK BOB THINK WHAT MOVE HITS HARD TO YELLOW AND CAN USE B12 WHILE BENEFITING FROM THE SUPER HIGH STR TITANS HAVE) that you get the instant you approach the SoS zerg.
Is it as good as cleave at getting that big bonks that one tap people? Sure, no. But go into a SoS zerg and not zig-zag instantly while doing a 180 and you'll see how easy it is to get bonked at that high of an opening.

I will repeat once more, you guys used SoS because it requires little to no coordination amongst the fighters so you can just send out newbs and tell them yeah just click that one button, groups like snail+brits used SoS because they know how to abuse the shit out of it and it's insanely strong in that use-case. I will clue you guys in on something, from what i'm hearing A LOT of groups will go SoS meta next world and it will NOT be fun to anyone.

I have repeatedly said what the problem is with b12. It's price tag. It's prohibitively expensive, and prevents new players from getting into pvp. Make b12 cost as much as a bronze sword, and then I would be fine with removing storm.

However, the fact b12 costs as much as it does is why factions love it so much. It means you can go into a fight with a massive advantage, since you'll have a hq b12 while ur fighting noobs that can only afford a bronze sword. It's shit. It ruins the pvp scene.

[Dawidio123]

I have repeatedly said what the problem is with b12. It's price tag. It's prohibitively expensive, and prevents new players from getting into pvp. Make b12 cost as much as a bronze sword, and then I would be fine with removing storm.

And I said it before, if you can't gear out everyone in b12s you give them sword+shield and they can do stings+opk to act as supports. A person who can't afford b12 can't afford a cutblade, and SoS with a bronze sword is basically an aoe sting and won't deal any damage anyways.
I really think you underestimate how insanely good is sting without increased cd at opening people, and overestimate how useful is SoS spam with just shield ups. YOU NEED THE BIG BONK WEAPONS IN EITHER CASE TO GET KILLS. AND THEY ARE BOTH EXPENSIVE.

[overtyped]

I have repeatedly said what the problem is with b12. It's price tag. It's prohibitively expensive, and prevents new players from getting into pvp. Make b12 cost as much as a bronze sword, and then I would be fine with removing storm.

And I said it before, if you can't gear out everyone in b12s you give them sword+shield and they can do stings+opk to act as supports. A person who can't afford b12 can't afford a cutblade, and SoS with a bronze sword is basically an aoe sting and won't deal any damage anyways.
I really think you underestimate how insanely good is sting without increased cd at opening people.

A solution that's not a solution is your solution.
Oh, can't afford the extremely expensive meta weapon? oh, just do X then. Rather than addressing the problem, you say, oh, just do this other thing, and let my favorite b12 be the bestest.

[Dawidio123]

I have repeatedly said what the problem is with b12. It's price tag. It's prohibitively expensive, and prevents new players from getting into pvp. Make b12 cost as much as a bronze sword, and then I would be fine with removing storm.

And I said it before, if you can't gear out everyone in b12s you give them sword+shield and they can do stings+opk to act as supports. A person who can't afford b12 can't afford a cutblade, and SoS with a bronze sword is basically an aoe sting and won't deal any damage anyways.
I really think you underestimate how insanely good is sting without increased cd at opening people.

A solution that's not a solution is your solution.
Oh, can't afford the extremely expensive meta weapon? oh, just do X then. Rather than addressing the problem, you say, oh, just do this other thing, and let my favorite b12 be the bestest.

Bro i literally used cutblade with cleave bcs i like the larp. And any SoS group uses cutblades. Like what's your point? If you don't have the 2h weapons you cannot kill people, that's how it works. I can literally ignore a SoS squad that's just spamming it with a bronze sword because their damage is way too low (as you've seen in a meteorite against koreans), but a few cutblade amongst them and now it's painful, put a b12 amongst them that uses the high yellow openings and now it's actually dangerous as shit to the point of being OP while requiring minimal to no coordination.

B12 IS LITERALLY NOT MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE THAN CUTBLADE. MANY PEOPLE WITH LOWER STATS USE SWORDS BECAUSE THEY ACT BETTER AT SUPPORTING THAN IF THEY HAD A 2H WEAPON.

Should b12 and cutblade (overall steel) be cheaper? Yeah sure, go for it. But your solution to that is "LET US HAVE THIS OP MOVE BCS STEEL IS EXPENSIVE", a solution that's not a solution is your solution.

[overtyped]

[quote="Dawidio123"][/quote]
I actually would have a problem if cutblade was the absolute meta. It's also too pricy.

The meta should be a cheap weapon that anyone can use. Cutblade and b12 should be more niche and specialized,.

[Dawidio123]

I actually would have a problem if cutblade was the absolute meta. It's also too pricy.

Sure, i can agree that it should be easier to get the meta gear to fight. But just as you need b12s to fight in cleave meta, you need cutblades to fight in SoS meta, and people without it should use a 1h sword as supports as I've suggested before.
Edit: Like SoS, is not fixing the fact that people without the 2h weapons can't do any real damage, it just allows an unorganized rabble with 1h sword to support people with 2h (that will do the real damage) with literally almost no coordination required. And just the number of targets it hits + openings it causes are HUGE, not even getting into the insane chip damage.

[Massa]

I actually would have a problem if cutblade was the absolute meta. It's also too pricy.

The meta should be a cheap weapon that anyone can use. Cutblade and b12 should be more niche and specialized,.

a cutblade meta would be sick

your meatwave with sword+board will always have an innate strength and metaness to it. it's the lowest common denominator, even i use it because i'm our meatwave

it'd be cool to see b12 boys using cutblades

[Dawidio123]

I actually would have a problem if cutblade was the absolute meta. It's also too pricy.

The meta should be a cheap weapon that anyone can use. Cutblade and b12 should be more niche and specialized,.

a cutblade meta would be sick

your meatwave with sword+board will always have an innate strength and metaness to it. it's the lowest common denominator, even i use it because i'm our meatwave

it'd be cool to see b12 boys using cutblades

+1, my ass loves cutblades and would love for the melee moves to not suck when using it making it A MUST to go full hybrid to use flex+kito alongside it.