Sub tokens in Trade

[Kaios]

This would all happen anyway?
The fact they can do that is the root problem, not the fact that they do that and redistribute it in exchange for paying for their gametime.
If they didn't redistribute it via sub token trade the situation would be just as bleak, a select few would buy via paypal and this overpowered and excessively botted/scripted/whatever resource/character base would all be owned by a single entity in the game world.

At that point it would be something for the devs to deal with though were that the case but I hardly see that happening, it only happened in W3 due to bugs and not due to real money trades.

It would not happen anyways, at least not as quickly, the more people you offer that easy progression to (and literally posting it on the forum reaches the most people possible) has a bigger impact on the game than a private transaction does.

[Ysh]

Before I trade for tokens (both ways) I would set my hair on fire and then extinguish with a sledgehammer.

Would you cut hair off first?

[Undefined]

At that point it would be something for the devs to deal with though were that the case but I hardly see that happening, it only happened in W3 due to bugs and not due to real money trades.

It would not happen anyways, at least not as quickly, the more people you offer that easy progression to (and literally posting it on the forum reaches the most people possible) has a bigger impact on the game than a private transaction does.

I'm out, I don't think you have a real argument as to why sub token trade in particular RUINS THE GAME, I think it just pisses you off, which is fine, you're entitled to be pissed off by things.
I've noticed you excercise that right quite often, good for you!

[Kaios]

I'm out, I don't think you have a real argument as to why sub token trade in particular RUINS THE GAME, I think it just pisses you off, which is fine, you're entitled to be pissed off by things.

There's nothing wrong with my arguments it's your responses that are weak. Try harder or don't bother arguing at all.

I've noticed you excercise that right quite often, good for you!

Ya I do and 99% of the time I'm right, I don't care if that sounds conceited it's still true.

[sabinati]

Not really the right forum for yet again moaning about it?

indeed not, so moved to c&i

[DDDsDD999]

RMT was pretty big before hafen.

[Kaios]

RMT was pretty big before hafen.

And still the worlds only get worse, not better

[Divicid]

Ohh it's not that bad, like in real life i have a Polish lady who cleans for cash, and in Haven & Hearth i have subtokens to pay poor Russians and Ukrainian people to go mine for me, win win situation.

[Kaios]

Ohh it's not that bad, like in real life i have a Polish lady who cleans for cash, and in Haven & Hearth i have subtokens to pay poor Russians and Ukrainian people to go mine for me, win win situation.

I don't agree. For example, if RMT was such a normal thing in legacy worlds then why was it not allowed to be posted on the forum? And if it was apparently so prevalent back then when it was frowned upon and forbidden over the forum then one could make the logical leap that there is much more RMT going on now with the addition of tokens and the allowance of RMT trades to be advertised via the forum.

[CSPAN]

Its not cool for game play, but at the same time is contributing to our favorite game developing.