Optional PVP

[NOOBY93]

Ah well, I see what you mean. I believe in people being free to kill each other but I'll play devil's advocate and give a suggestion that makes optional PvP possible:

You can K.O. (or try to) people who disabled PvP, and when they're knocked out you can evict them back to their hearth fire. This makes blocking with naked alts impossible, while retaining the "you don't die to PvP if it's disabled".

[burgingham]

I don't actually want completely disabled PvP I think. So I am with you there in a way. But mechanics like eviction, longer term bans from claimed land and such might indeed work as an alternative to killing.

[Aceb]

When You think of idea, think how it could be abused to make your life harder, then rethink your idea if You can improve it. If You can't it simply not fitting. I can't say bad, because we could have nice things but because of certain people, we can't.

[burgingham]

Well enforcing game mechanics and rules is a whole other topic. I always had a different opinion on that than Jorb and Loftar do. So I guess that isn't happening.

[ven]

Issue is that majority of people on forum are people that do pvp.
But majority of playerbase does not.
So all kinds of ideas that would make killing noobs more difficult will get stomped to hell. Ones with more methods or ones suggesting to make current methods even more easier are praised.

Accurate description of the forum. If I was one of the devs I'd only take into consideration suggestions with explanatory images and more than two pages long.

Interest in certain aspects of the game should be gauged by in-game polls, not by voluntary forum attendance.

[Ysh]

polls

Please no. People are stupid and do not know what is best for themself.

[burgingham]

So everyone who disagrees with you is stupid?

[Avu]

Dev's Thoughts on PvP
This really sums it up. You can't just not have player conflict. It's a multiplayer game.

Was expecting someone to bring that post as defense to the status quo someone always does. He claims the only possible solution is punching someone in the face? When has that ever worked? The game is filled with alts. Last time you screwed the regular joe because of alts was when rage become required for nidbanes. Did that stop the alts blocking stuff? No? Did it stop alts gathering salt? No. Does it set one without having salt alts half around the world on a fair position with those that do? No. Does it stop the alt cutting all tree around your base? Sure if you see it and in a few hours or days he can have it back, he can have 10 back a few road nodes away. Does it stop them planting tree lines? No but nobody is that stupid but if they wanted they could. Does it stop people building a palisade around you claim? No. You can take it down but you can also take it down even if you couldn't use vandalism since you can't claim an area completely around someone elses place. Can they stand in your way? Sure they can and you should be able to push people around literally and send them back to their hf which would solve the problem without you know killing a worthless alt. Runs away with your carcass? Happens all the time hardly ever you're able to catch the dude simply because he's too far away anyway. And even if he shadows you you know what? He'll fucking grow bored of it eventually, even the god killer dude got bored because people get bored of grieffing. You know what doesn't pass in a day or two? Getting killed on a character several months old. Getting your half a year base wrecked because some kids with no jobs got bored and decided to be kings of pvp. And if someone decides to settle next to me that I hate? Again there are some pretty autistic people but even they get bored eventually and if they just stick to it you know what? We all have real life people we fucking hate like that fucking neighbour with his dog that shits on your lawn we don't go killing them for it do we though. We learn to live with it yeah LIVE.

This whole full on pvp is mandatory is just masturbatory rationalization for people who get their kicks in seeing others suffer.

And you know what? If this thing has no chance of working like ever why not give it a try and prove me wrong? Run a paralel limited pvp world and see how it goes. If it becomes an unlivable hellhole I will forever shut up and you will all have more than a couple of flawed posts to backup your bullshit. What harm can it do? Can't drive more people away than this rotten community has been doing over time. Fuck put a disclaimer over it tell everyone the other world is the one they should play I don't care. I just want to apply the scientific method to it and see who is right.

[Ysh]

So everyone who disagrees with you is stupid?

Are you trying to respond to me?

[ven]

Run a paralel limited pvp world and see how it goes
...
I just want to apply the scientific method to it and see who is right.

That is more or less the idea behind Granger's server. A few people declared interest and it would cost the devs nothing.
I'm down to it because it has a one-char policy. I still think the issue is not pvp, but alts. Meaningful pvp does sound kinda fun.