Bot solutions : Salem's not allowed to do better than you

[MagicManICT]

Casual fucks quit and then return months later to cry that they're behind, and then they wait until a world reset.

Casual fuck who doesn't do these things here. --->>

[Aceb]

Casual fucks quit and then return months later to cry that they're behind, and then they wait until a world reset.

Casual fuck who doesn't do these things here. --->>

And for that, You have the chicken blessings!

[Astarisk]

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the botters press on and keep the CF stalls full and the qualities rising.
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The statement that bots are responsible for the constant raise in quality always kind of bothers me. It's not a fully true statement from my experience. When you look at the metal industry, a lot of the quality gains and raises there are almost entirely done bot free. Well back when they started to hit absurd levels they were all done by hand and bot free. It doesn't take much to keep metal quality rising, all it needs is a decent set up and time. Running something like 40+ smelters and finery forges at a time helps. Its just sheer brute force.

The only industry bots help out the most with in quality is farming. Due to how the randomness of gains work in regards to crops, bots are absolutely needed just to remain on top of it all.

What bots end up helping with the most right now in hafen is pepper. Due to the sheer strength of it and quantity needed bots for this is an ideal task. Even food making doesn't really need bots. You are perfectly capable of maintaining a rather large cheese set up if you dedicate an hour a day to farming and seeing as how cheese is king for stats the effort put into it is only immense when making the set up, after that its just a steady constant stream of food.

I don't want to downplay the impact of bots, but i feel it rather fair to give this side of the discussion when a lot of people seem to over state the influence of botting on the game. It's not nearly as bad as people make it out to be.

[jordancoles]

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the botters press on and keep the CF stalls full and the qualities rising.
....

The statement that bots are responsible for the constant raise in quality always kind of bothers me. It's not a fully true statement from my experience. When you look at the metal industry, a lot of the quality gains and raises there are almost entirely done bot free. Well back when they started to hit absurd levels they were all done by hand and bot free. It doesn't take much to keep metal quality rising, all it needs is a decent set up and time. Running something like 40+ smelters and finery forges at a time helps. Its just sheer brute force.

The only industry bots help out the most with in quality is farming. Due to how the randomness of gains work in regards to crops, bots are absolutely needed just to remain on top of it all.

What bots end up helping with the most right now in hafen is pepper. Due to the sheer strength of it and quantity needed bots for this is an ideal task. Even food making doesn't really need bots. You are perfectly capable of maintaining a rather large cheese set up if you dedicate an hour a day to farming and seeing as how cheese is king for stats the effort put into it is only immense when making the set up, after that its just a steady constant stream of food.

I don't want to downplay the impact of bots, but i feel it rather fair to give this side of the discussion when a lot of people seem to over state the influence of botting on the game. It's not nearly as bad as people make it out to be.

Bots are demonized by the people with no access to them, but yes, their influence on the whole is overestimated. However, in just this version of haven alone I have had access to nearly every type of script that you could want. Some have become obsolete and others are no longer usable due to client developers moving on and whatnot, but I'm talking about bots that bake, cook, smelt steel, mine ore, transport ore, build mine supports, burn ore, grind pepper for 6 hours straight, forage on set paths, pearling bots, stockpilers, food troughers, milkers, shearers, silk bots and even a bot that would walk through multiple cave levels and just grind bats 24/7 for LP.

I do not use these bots on a regular basis (because I just don't care enough for the grind and because the game plays like shit even with one client open), but it would be entirely possible to have many clients running to cover multiple industries as one player and I am sure that there is a small handful of people who do just that.

I don't think that botting is having a major influence on the whole, but the people with access to or who are making these bots are very efficient and they are the ones who stand the test of time in this game. They are the ones that you will see online when there are only 40 people playing and I do feel that they contribute their fair share towards the world's top qualities (even if they are only producing the bulk metal and then selling it to the manual spiralers)

[Ants]

Bots are demonized by the people with no access to them, but yes, their influence on the whole is overestimated. However, in just this version of haven alone I have had access to nearly every type of script that you could want. Some have become obsolete and others are no longer usable due to client developers moving on and whatnot, but I'm talking about bots that bake, cook, smelt steel, mine ore, transport ore, build mine supports, burn ore, grind pepper for 6 hours straight, forage on set paths, pearling bots, stockpilers, food troughers, milkers, shearers, silk bots and even a bot that would walk through multiple cave levels and just grind bats 24/7 for LP.

I do not use these bots on a regular basis (because I just don't care enough for the grind and because the game plays like shit even with one client open), but it would be entirely possible to have many clients running to cover multiple industries as one player and I am sure that there is a small handful of people who do just that.

I don't think that botting is having a major influence on the whole, but the people with access to or who are making these bots are very efficient and they are the ones who stand the test of time in this game. They are the ones that you will see online when there are only 40 people playing and I do feel that they contribute their fair share towards the world's top qualities (even if they are only producing the bulk metal and then selling it to the manual spiralers)

How did you get access to the bots?

[jordancoles]

Knowing people, being in villages, playing for 8 years, etc.

[ErdTod]

It's true, I've never used bots and might not fully comprehend how are they used, however, though, I do feel that fun is being taken out from the game by their sheer existence. As an example, I'll tell a story of other MMO game I used to play some years ago, let's call it Afflicted Zone Tictacs.
When I discovered the game, I started to play it a lot, like really a lot - because I like the genre. But I was winning suspiciously easy, with very rare super-hard combats. I celebrated every time the enemy made a mistake. However, when I got to know that all that time I was playing against bots (that were put there by devs, since player count isn't that high) and rarely vs a real player - I lost all will to play. It's just not fun - a PvP game with bots.

Here I feel kinda the same: bots take away the fun. If the mechanic isn't fun to do without bots, it's probably a game design flaw, though one must understand that almost all HnH game play is just chores. I tend to think that if Jorbtar wanted to just make money, they'd have better jobs: but they are working on HnH instead. For people to play, not for machines.

[Ardennesss]

The only industry bots help out the most with in quality is farming. Due to how the randomness of gains work in regards to crops, bots are absolutely needed just to remain on top of it all.

There's a reason the highest metal quality in the world right now is 2800+, and the next highest was 2500. I'll give you a hint, it wasn't because those two villages just work super duper hard.

[ctopolon4]

super duper hard.

select zone for input {...}
select zone for output {...}

press START

while (harvestable) {replant}
while (food) {eat}
while (ore) {smelt}
while (metal) {smith}

press ABORT

[SaltyCrate]

(and they have been offered practical solutions that would achieve an end to widespread botting, a long time ago).

No. No, there wasn't any such solutions.