Please for the love of Brodgar (Farming is too mundane)

[MagicManICT]

When I say "get others to help," I'm not talking about those with labor/time intensive jobs.

In small groups, everyone has time intensive jobs. Let's not just focus on 30+ people villages please. Plenty of people play solo, or in group of 3-4 active players.

but if it's such a small group, do you need huge farm areas? No, i don't think so. If people choose to do this, they probably shouldn't complain about their workload.

Just some labor alts...

I'll stop you right there. I don't like alts

That's you're choice. If you are a part of such a village that wants/needs a large farming base, you should do what you can to help lighten the load for others. That is a bigger part of being in a village than a personal feeling about whether to use alts or not.

All things considered, this is one of those areas of the game that show a huge deficit in people's work mentalities and job skills--those skills that apply to every job you will ever have such as teamwork, division of labor, etc etc.

I agree. But let's remember this is a game, and should feel like one.

Good teamwork skills apply to work as well as play. It's one thing to be a relaxed team that works together smartly and another to be a disorganized group with some people trying hard and others not trying enough.

[Narski]

When I say "get others to help," I'm not talking about those with labor/time intensive jobs.

In small groups, everyone has time intensive jobs. Let's not just focus on 30+ people villages please. Plenty of people play solo, or in group of 3-4 active players.

but if it's such a small group, do you need huge farm areas? No, i don't think so. If people choose to do this, they probably shouldn't complain about their workload.

Just some labor alts...

I'll stop you right there. I don't like alts

That's you're choice. If you are a part of such a village that wants/needs a large farming base, you should do what you can to help lighten the load for others. That is a bigger part of being in a village than a personal feeling about whether to use alts or not.

All things considered, this is one of those areas of the game that show a huge deficit in people's work mentalities and job skills--those skills that apply to every job you will ever have such as teamwork, division of labor, etc etc.

I agree. But let's remember this is a game, and should feel like one.

Good teamwork skills apply to work as well as play. It's one thing to be a relaxed team that works together smartly and another to be a disorganized group with some people trying hard and others not trying enough.

using alts at the same time or using bots? like i said : bots are what ruins this game. Imagine how difficult it would be if no bots were in. If that were the case i wouldn't complain about how mundane farming is. The fact that there are bots and i choose not to use them (morally wrong imo) puts me behind? thats not how a game should be.

[Embers]

Imagine how it would be if you've stopped being a lil sissy with "moral highground" and instead of complaining what others use actually thought for yourself and made a crop field that doesn't make you feel like having a second job

[Imaru]

oh well, give us a dynamite for mines or a jackhammer, because I don’t really like to sit underground. Or so it does not work?)

[BlueArcher]

Make a scythe do a 3x3 harvest in one hit. That is all. 2000 tile farm has become my game as i don't bot.

When tractor?

[Mr_Bober]

but if it's such a small group, do you need huge farm areas?

My farm is not huge, it fits in a 30x30 palisade (900 squares), in which there are also roads, a stone stead, a windmill, ovens and coops, which brings the overall plowed land to somewhere around 6-700 squares probably. That includes trellis. Yet, it takes me the best part of my gametime (which is much more than I care to admit) to take care of it.
Let's also consider 3 factors:
- Farming is needed for feeding animals. Once you start doing jewellery or cheesemaking, you'll need a lot of breeding animals, and that drives up the cost in food.
- Plenty of items require a lot of farming components. Can't expect me to have a 4x4 field of hemp or wheat, or I wouldn't be able to do ANYTHING that requires strings, flour, or straw. It would take weeks just to make a set of shirts and pants for 1 person.
- The random quality forces you to do the 5h rotation, which in consequence requires larger fields (or u won't have enough seeds to do anything if the fields drops in quality).
And that's ignoring the farming credo, which even for a solo player still can require you to harvest 100x of a specific crop. Even assuming you are ok having to replant to do it, u can't expect people to have only 10 plants at a time.

With farming being the base for tailoring, half of cooking, and animal farming (and consequently cheesemaking), you can't expect anyone to have a very small field.

That's you're choice. If you are a part of such a village that wants/needs a large farming base, you should do what you can to help lighten the load for others.

Wrong. My choice is to raise exploration and tailoring on the same character, because I don't feel like switching character for it. It's not optimal, and I'm ok with it because those tasks should require 2 people.
But that has nothing to do with multi boxing or bots. I shouldn't be forced to have multiple accounts, and play them at once, just to do farming. That's not just asking me to have an alt, that's forcing me to play 2 accounts at the same time to do 1 necessary task. Game shouldn't work like that.
Multiboxing should NEVER be required, nor be the solution to a problem.

[loskierek]

if your task is too big for 1 person dont blame the game but the division of work, if farming takes most of your game time then clearly you are being shafted by your group and should ask for assistance and it will solve ur problem instantly by either getting help or getting evicted

[MagicManICT]

My last hermitage was about 100x100. I was literally playing by myself, no alts. My farm took an hour to hour and a half of my day every day, and it was larger than the entirety of that 30x30 claim. I'd plant trees in pots first thing, go take care of the crops, check my trees (not done yet, usually), go start making food, check trees again (maybe done?) and often have to wait on trees to finish potting to plant them. 1 hour 30 minutes with Druidic Rite for trees to grow. (Grain days usually took a little longer because I didn't have a windmill yet.) I didn't keep livestock because I could be bothered to play every day to keep them fed... pain in the ass solo that is. With the size of farm I had, it was more than enough to keep a breeding pair of each type fed, though, as I was throwing a LOT of crops into compost with plenty remaining. On the days I was playing catch-up from being offline a day or two, yes, it took significantly longer, and carrots and beets were an everyday thing.

if your task is too big for 1 person dont blame the game but the division of work, if farming takes most of your game time then clearly you are being shafted by your group and should ask for assistance and it will solve ur problem instantly by either getting help or getting evicted

Pretty much this. I know how big a pain in the ass farming can be. I've offered my help more than once, but so far I haven't been asked to, which suits me. After being "farmer bob" since pretty much w3, I'm fine with just foraging, pottery, and mining. And that was back in the day when you had to manually click every tile or get a client with a scripting interface (or set up AHK and scripts).

[MooCow]

Pretty much this. I know how big a pain in the ass farming can be. I've offered my help more than once, but so far I haven't been asked to, which suits me. After being "farmer bob" since pretty much w3, I'm fine with just foraging, pottery, and mining. And that was back in the day when you had to manually click every tile or get a client with a scripting interface (or set up AHK and scripts).

This perfectly describes how I feel. Farming is so much better than it was, and people are still endlessly unhappy

Now we have permanent plowed fields, auto harvesting, auto pickup, auto drinking, free "seed bags" that hold one extra seed, and almost no seed sorting, stock piles, and double the inventory size. Now that farming takes less than 1/50th of the work, people still suffer because their plots are 50x bigger. Jorb has mentioned this before, but it needs to be repeated.

People will expand their farms until they reach a point where they can't stomach it any more.

The only crop that really needs any help are the pumpkins. They used to be the easiest crop, and now they are the hardest.

The only farming change that I would support is the ability to pick up items directly into carts. Maybe make it take a little extra time to pick up like this, maybe not

I highly recommend that if you are going to farm with your main, do something else while you do. Watch YouTube, masturbate, whatever your heart desires! If farming takes 2-3 hours a day, ask yourself if you really need all that food. If your village is demanding too much from you, then get more farmers.

[Mr_Bober]

Farming is so much better than it was, and people are still endlessly unhappy

Oh, so according to you if something was updated once it's not worth updating anymore. Good to know.

I highly recommend that if you are going to farm with your main, do something else while you do.

See, this is exactly what I don't understand. Haven is a game, and as such it should be fun to PLAY. Right now, farming isn't at all, no matter the scale.
It's not fun how quality works, is not fun how harvesting and sowing works, and it's not something secondary that you could ignore.

If your solution is to let the game do it while I do something else, that's what bots are for. And is one of the main features is made for bots, then it needs to change.

I don't have the perfect solution, and might take a while to figure it out, but farming as is sucks. Just because it used to suck more, it doesn't make it good now.