Midges get rid of the most useless thing in the game

[dorag]

Midges dont effect bots lmao if your bot dies to a midge thats genuinly impressive lmao

[dorag]

or you could be near a uh swamp i guess

[Oddity]

+1 delete midges

[jiuribu]

WHY for the love of god would you add these things back or even fix the issue with them not spawning, i dont live near a swamp or bog etc and yet i have 2-3 midges swarms in my area that following me for ages on end with no way of stopping them and they deal hard hp dmg, it makes me not want to play, im never able to be at full hp when i play due to the unrelenting stupid fucking mechanic of midges,

take them out for the love of god, or make them an attackable target or at least give us a way of negating there effects

+1 for entire removal

[VDZ]

What is this ''most useless thing in game'' that midges get rid of now?

bots?

Midges do not affect bots. Even if the bot were very badly written and it lets midges take 90% of its HHP, it's still no problem for a bot. You can just let the bot rest for a bit, or spawn a new alt for botting, and the problem is solved again.

It's people who use their main for everything that are most fucked by midges. Allergic Reaction gives -10 STR and -10 AGI and heals slowly. IIRC it even stacks as multiple wounds to make absolutely sure your character gets crippled. It can also KO people low on HP to net you an additional concussion to cripple your main. From the 'Bitching about adders' thread:

Midges

Evidence that the developers actually hate us. I once got KO'd by one after hearthing home from another KO. I was on my way to my bed from my fire. Moved my HF indoors after that. How do you get a concussion from a goddamn midge bite.

Midges do nothing except fuck over legit players. The more you do on a single character, the harder you get fucked. Even without the Allergic Reaction and possibility of Concussions, getting your HHP reduced for the sin of merely being outside is bullshit that only really affects mains.

and midges aren't really a hassle to anything that keeps moving.

And they fuck you over whenever you want to do something that requires you to stand still or move slowly - building, crafting, farming, chopping trees. You know, playing the game.

Would perhaps not mind some counterplay, but I love minor elemental hazards like that.

Midges are not 'hazards'. There is zero tactical choice involved in their presence. If there are midges in your base, you can only log off until they're gone. You cannot avoid midges in places you want to do anything that involves standing still. You cannot do anything to chase midges away. Midges are not hazards that can be avoided or mitigated through skillful gameplay; getting fucked by them (outside of swamps where you'd be dumb to get hit) is never the fault of the player, unless you consider their choice to play the game instead of logging off to be a mistake deserving punishment. Midges are more like disasters, they just overcome you and you just have to deal with getting fucked over for no reason.

They might be a bit too harsh for swamp villages (on the other hand, swamps provide lost of good stuff, so this might be the downside), aside that, they're totally fine as they are. I don't think they're supposed to be "useful" or "fun". They are there to annoy you and they're doing their job just fine.

They might be a bit too harsh for swamp villages (on the other hand, swamps provide lost of good stuff, so this might be the downside), aside that, they're totally fine as they are. I don't think they're supposed to be "useful" or "fun". They are there to annoy you and they're doing their job just fine.

Generally speaking, due to how items reload in the world, swamp villages should be actively discouraged. They ruin the swamp for everyone.

Generally speaking, due to how items reload in the world, swamp villages should be actively discouraged. They ruin the swamp for everyone.

This. Burn them to the ground.

I'd be fine with midges if they were restricted to swamps and their direct environment. But they aren't. They're fucking everywhere and will fuck you over regardless of where you build your base, even at a massive distance from swamps.


Midges are a completely uninteractive element of the game that punishes the player for simply playing the game. There is no way to mitigate their impact other than logging off and waiting for them to despawn, or to use characters with such low involvement that you do not care about them (alts and bots). They discourage normal gameplay and encourage low-involvement gameplay (e.g. botting - something the devs say they want to discourage). Moreover, they are considered unfun by basically the entire playerbase (save for a few trolls who enjoy the suffering of others more than they mind their own suffering). It completely baffles me that midges are still in the game as-is - they serve no beneficial purpose whatsoever, and have plenty of negative effects. They really need a serious rework or complete removal as they make the game clearly worse.

[shubla]

no beneficial purpose whatsoever, and have plenty of negative effects

So what? Games would be boring if they didn't have any negative effects.
There are many things in this game, other than midges, that you could argue are negative and have no purpose.


I don't have any problems with midges. What do you do? Afk at swamps?

[VDZ]

There are many things in this game, other than midges, that you could argue are negative and have no purpose.

Such as what? There are plenty of unpopular elements, but aside from midges, to my knowledge, all of them have a valid purpose.

[shubla]

There are many things in this game, other than midges, that you could argue are negative and have no purpose.

Such as what? There are plenty of unpopular elements, but aside from midges, to my knowledge, all of them have a valid purpose.

Leeches for example. When you walk on swamp you get them and they drain your hp if you dont drop them.
infected wounds.
etc.

[VDZ]

Leeches for example. When you walk on swamp you get them and they drain your hp if you dont drop them.

Leeches:

• play into the wound system by functioning as medicine for various common wounds
• serve as fishing bait
• provide a demerit to walking around in swampland, otherwise a very beneficial terrain type, which can be negated by interacting properly with this hazard (removing them from the equipment window)
• make equipment coverage more beneficial (the more equipment you wear, the fewer leeches you get, with complete immunity to leeches being acquired by being fully dressed)

They also provide for an alternative way to murder people which can be negative or positive depending on your perspective, but that's an unintended side effect of their functionality.

infected wounds

Infections make the usually beneficial swampland riskier to navigate and make it more desirable to be at full health (as you can't get an infection if you don't have wounds). They also provide a gameplay challenge if you did take the risk and lose - proper treatment of the infection negates its detrimental effects.

[shubla]

[*] play into the wound system by functioning as medicine for various common wounds
[*] serve as fishing bait
[*] provide a demerit to walking around in swampland, otherwise a very beneficial terrain type, which can be negated by interacting properly with this hazard (removing them from the equipment window)
[*] make equipment coverage more beneficial (the more equipment you wear, the fewer leeches you get, with complete immunity to leeches being acquired by being fully dressed)[/list]

But they could be just something that you pick into your inventory from swamp, not something that automatically grabs you and starts draining hp