Limit posts to C&I to one new thread/day

[Burinn]

He just spams dipshit ideas to up his post count and piss people off and push actual ideas off the first page.

Are you worried your Good Idea™ won't get the attention it """deserves""" because it's off the first page of active topics?

People aren't posting in your threads because they either don't think it's good or there is nothing else to talk about. Not because BIG BAD GUY SHUBLA BUMPED MY POST OFF THE ACTIVE TOPICS FIRST PAGE!!!

[Zentetsuken]

Why can't we just put obvious trolls on permanent curfews in the subforums that they terrorize?

The problem is that C&I is way more liberally moderated for some reason. I'm sure if shubla was pumping out 3-5 total shitposts per day in IOB that he'd be banned by now 100 times over or told to fuck off by the devs themselves. I'm not sure why we allow C&I to be a cesspool for this kind of fake online persona type content.

I would even go so far as to suggest a totally new subforum that is specifically for larping or something? Give the children a room to play in you know?

[Ardennesss]

He just spams dipshit ideas to up his post count and piss people off and push actual ideas off the first page.

Are you worried your Good Idea™ won't get the attention it """deserves""" because it's off the first page of active topics?

People aren't posting in your threads because they either don't think it's good or there is nothing else to talk about. Not because BIG BAD GUY SHUBLA BUMPED MY POST OFF THE ACTIVE TOPICS FIRST PAGE!!!

You started defending Shubla to be edgy and go against the grain and that's so transparent even Helen Keller can see it. Just stop.

[Burinn]

You started defending Shubla to be edgy and go against the grain and that's so transparent even Helen Keller can see it. Just stop.

I started defending Shubla because I disagree with what people are complaining about. Sorry. I can defend people I don't like.

[Ardennesss]

You started defending Shubla to be edgy and go against the grain and that's so transparent even Helen Keller can see it. Just stop.

I started defending Shubla because I disagree with what people are complaining about. Sorry. I can defend people I don't like.

I don't post C&I threads because it's painfully obvious Jorb doesn't actually give a singular ounce of a fuck about any idea one of his players has. But that doesn't change the fact that we shouldn't encourage someone to spam a forum section that's designed to be seen by the developers. We're talking about a guy who spends like 5 hours a week on Haven, you seriously think he goes back 3-4 pages on C&I to make sure he read everyone's ideas?

[Burinn]

You started defending Shubla to be edgy and go against the grain and that's so transparent even Helen Keller can see it. Just stop.

I started defending Shubla because I disagree with what people are complaining about. Sorry. I can defend people I don't like.

I don't post C&I threads because it's painfully obvious Jorb doesn't actually give a singular ounce of a fuck about any idea one of his players has. But that doesn't change the fact that we shouldn't encourage someone to spam a forum section that's designed to be seen by the developers. We're talking about a guy who spends like 5 hours a week on Haven, you seriously think he goes back 3-4 pages on C&I to make sure he read everyone's ideas?

Do you need so much validation that Jorb needs to personally respond to all of your ideas or ideas you think are good? I don't think it's "obvious". What he thinks are good ideas is categorically going to be different from what I think are good ideas. Just because he thinks ideas I think are good, aren't, does not mean he doesn't care. Get a grip.

What exactly do you want from Jorb? What does a perfect world where it's instead "obvious" he cares look like to you? He's a human being for christ's sake. And certainly not beholden to giving every single person and thread he comes across validation in the form of a response.

If people think your idea is good it will get attention. This has always been the case irrespective of C&I throughput. Do you disagree?

[Burinn]

This whole "there are too many posts!" thing blows my mind. Would you all be complaining about it still if it weren't "one person" but rather just more users posting? Probably not.


Your ideas aren't any more valid than anyone else's even if you think someone else is making low effort posts I think.

[Ardennesss]

What exactly do you want from Jorb? What does a perfect world where it's instead "obvious" he cares look like to you? He's a human being for christ's sake. And certainly not beholden to giving every single person and thread he comes across validation in the form of a response.

A large part of the problem is that ~the list~ of things Jorb is considering is kept hidden from the public which causes ideas to get posted and reposted because there isn't really a central repository to tell whether or not they should re-pitch the idea. There is a forum search feature, which if they use can help them determine if it's been posted previously. But if they find a previous thread and Jorb did not respond, should they repost because it's unclear if Jorb saw it or not?

We are mostly limited by the technology of this forum as to more ideal methods that could be utilized to clean up how C&I operates, but I do think it should be considered a reasonable request for Jorb to at least pop in to every thread and give a customary "Will / Will not consider" to clear the air about a particular issue. Hell, once he's read an idea and decided if he likes it why not simply lock the thread at that point so that you can even tell that the last post was Jorb and the matter is considered closed?

If people think your idea is good it will get attention. This has always been the case irrespective of C&I throughput. Do you disagree?

Community attention doesn't typically matter, you could have a thread with 500 replies from players offering their first born children to get your idea implemented and if Jorb disagrees it goes nowhere. Community attention to a thread isn't important, developer attention is. If you get community attention then yes your thread will not quickly move off the first page making it more likely to be seen. You think it's unreasonable for Jorb to respond to every C&I thread, but I don't necessarily think we should instead rely on players to comment on every C&I thread with their opinions to ensure the thread stays visible.

And while we're at it, what is the actual issue with grab-bag threads for consolidating general suggestions that fall in certain bulk categories? Do we need 6 different threads to suggest 6 different curiosities? Can we not just have one master thread where the suggestion for a curiosity gets merged into? I don't understand what possible value there can be in needing a stand-alone thread for things like new Trees/Rocks/Pavings/Curios/Birds/Fish. I could be in the minority, but I think C&I threads should center more around discussions of mechanics and not what would classify as simple additions. It's likely that a large percentage of the forum going player-base doesn't even read C&I anymore because of how much spam there is in it, although that would be difficult to prove.

[Burinn]

tl;dr people worry that Jorb won't look at their great™ ideas if it isn't in the first page of active topics so Shubla needs to get censored. Or we can change the C&I system. But we'll complain about Shubla instead of suggesting systemic fixes.

Haha uh, yikes!

[Ysh]

I don't understand what possible value there can be in needing a stand-alone thread for things like new Trees/Rocks/Pavings/Curios/Birds/Fish. I could be in the minority, but I think C&I threads should center more around discussions of mechanics and not what would classify as simple additions.

I think this is real fundamental issue. Probably if jorb want to add new bird, it is not hard for him to open wikipedia and get whole list of bird he can add. Many thread in C&I fall into this category, and it is not just shubla posting them.