remove hunger & feps from some foods

[Burinn]

They should get rid of travel weariness and quality while they're at it too!

[Lunarius_Haberdash]

They should get rid of travel weariness and quality while they're at it too!

remove energy from the fucking game how about that.

You know, for a thread that started with a decent idea, it sure is attracting a lot of shit suggestions.

[VDZ]

They should get rid of travel weariness and quality while they're at it too!

Travel weariness makes the immediate environment more relevant, which incentivizes socialization. Quality allows the game to incrementally reward the player for doing the same tasks with better skills or better source materials. But what gameplay purpose does energy serve?

[TerraSleet]

They should get rid of travel weariness and quality while they're at it too!

Travel weariness makes the immediate environment more relevant, which incentivizes socialization. Quality allows the game to incrementally reward the player for doing the same tasks with better skills or better source materials. But what gameplay purpose does energy serve?

If I had to guess, it's to prevent someone running 200 bot accounts to instantly flatten hills and shit. But they can do this already, they just need some extra lines of code and accounts foraging mushrooms or cooking bread/porridge, so the point is moot.
The only other reason I can think of besides that is to stop people from mining/chopping 24/7. But.. see above.
Energy mechanic seems to serve no purpose to me. It doesn't slow down bots in any meaningful way, it's an annoyance to new players and completely irrelevant for everyone past early game. Besides hermits maybe. Reminds me of those stupid hunger/thirst bars in half the other survival games. A chore at the start, irrelevant later on.

[Sevenless]

If I had to guess, it's to prevent someone running 200 bot accounts to instantly flatten hills and shit. But they can do this already, they just need some extra lines of code and accounts foraging mushrooms or cooking bread/porridge, so the point is moot.
The only other reason I can think of besides that is to stop people from mining/chopping 24/7. But.. see above.
Energy mechanic seems to serve no purpose to me. It doesn't slow down bots in any meaningful way, it's an annoyance to new players and completely irrelevant for everyone past early game. Besides hermits maybe. Reminds me of those stupid hunger/thirst bars in half the other survival games. A chore at the start, irrelevant later on.

Not every game mechanic is about bots.

Energy exists as you said, as a "survival" mechanic. Stripping away the veneer, it makes the world feel more "real" to a degree. You aren't an endlessly, tirelessly working automaton. It encourages miners to come to the surface occasionally, or at least someone to ferry them food in their holes. I prefer energy as a mechanic due to options like just never caring about food ever on some characters, or sitting to rest. But I feel the hunger penalty is literally the only reason this system is annoying to players, as opposed to similar simple requirement of life like drinking water while mining.

TW exists in part due to the marauding that happened in earlier worlds. Particularly bad in W5. Kill squads from anywhere on the map could range out, kill, and be too hard to track for anyone except another faction because no one had access to the road or Vidol networks they needed to respond or even know who killed them.

TW exists in part due to the social localization, although I'd disagree that it encourages socialization any more or less than natural foraging range does. TW, and the newer crime mechanics, make room in the game for more than one faction to exist. It adds logistical and time issues to quickly conquering the entire world. Even though last world people didn't want to fight KoA's horde, they didn't completely dominate the world because they couldn't quickly travel to all of it.


To bring this back to the discussion though, energy and TW are whataboutisms that aren't adding to this discussion. Each mechanic has reasons for and against it, but we are not talking about "remove everything that annoys me". Taking a scalpel to a single mechanic to make it take no less work, but remove a large chunk of the annoyance attached it not the same thing as ripping out every system that players find limiting. And sometimes limits are what you need to make a game feel real, telling the difference between that and overbearing tedium is hard though.

[DDDsDD999]

No thank you, I prefer spending the majority of my time early world on labor alts.

[VDZ]

they just need some extra lines of code and accounts foraging mushrooms or cooking bread/porridge

Or just work them to death, which is the easier and more common option.

This is also why fresh spawns can no longer immediately perform heavy labor; now labor alting/botting requires you to (gasp) feed your alts once before having them work until they're no longer capable and then discarding them.

[MagicManICT]

Energy mechanic seems to serve no purpose to me. It doesn't slow down bots in any meaningful way, it's an annoyance to new players and completely irrelevant for everyone past early game. Besides hermits maybe. Reminds me of those stupid hunger/thirst bars in half the other survival games. A chore at the start, irrelevant later on.

I can say, as playing as a hermit for about 90% of my time in Haven, energy has never mattered other than the first hour or two of the game. I, at least, don't completely flatten out a 200x200 area... just enough to build my house, and flatten land just enough to erect a wall on it.

[VDZ]

Energy mechanic seems to serve no purpose to me. It doesn't slow down bots in any meaningful way, it's an annoyance to new players and completely irrelevant for everyone past early game. Besides hermits maybe. Reminds me of those stupid hunger/thirst bars in half the other survival games. A chore at the start, irrelevant later on.

I can say, as playing as a hermit for about 90% of my time in Haven, energy has never mattered other than the first hour or two of the game. I, at least, don't completely flatten out a 200x200 area... just enough to build my house, and flatten land just enough to erect a wall on it.

Same experience here, except not even in the first hour or two - food is easy to come by, it just ruins your hunger. That's the price I pay for not using labor alts. (I actually started using an alt for some labor last world to preserve hunger a bit.)

[snapko]

Energy mechanic seems to serve no purpose to me. It doesn't slow down bots in any meaningful way, it's an annoyance to new players and completely irrelevant for everyone past early game. Besides hermits maybe. Reminds me of those stupid hunger/thirst bars in half the other survival games. A chore at the start, irrelevant later on.

I can say, as playing as a hermit for about 90% of my time in Haven, energy has never mattered other than the first hour or two of the game. I, at least, don't completely flatten out a 200x200 area... just enough to build my house, and flatten land just enough to erect a wall on it.

Same experience here, except not even in the first hour or two - food is easy to come by, it just ruins your hunger. That's the price I pay for not using labor alts. (I actually started using an alt for some labor last world to preserve hunger a bit.)

Even 20% of hunger at 300% bonus is insane loss, especially at world start.

STOP #NAKEDLABOR make starter food provide only energy!